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Old 07-14-2011, 02:37 PM  
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John Carter (of Mars) trailer

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Old 11-19-2012, 04:14 PM   #121
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It was a decent movie for what it is. I was just expecting some entertainment and that's what it provided. Nothing more but also nothing less.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:12 PM   #122
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So, I finally got through the entire movie last night. What a freaking mess.

First off, there are like FIVE antagonists in the film:

1. The people who murdered John Carter's family
2. The Union Calvery
3. The Tharks
4. The Thern
5. The Zogdangan

It's just TOO much to follow in such a short period of time. The Thern were especially ridiculous. Immortals who help species to destroy their own worlds as sport? Matai Shang specifically states they don't actually get involved, yet in later scenes, he's extremely involved, directing and guiding Sab Than.

The film would have played much better if Carter was a Union soldier in Arizona that stumbled upon the gold mine and medallion. No unnecessary backstory about his family's murder or being a Confederate, etc. The Thern were absolutely unnecessary, as was the subplot between Tars Tarkas and Tal Hajus, where it was really unnecessary to see the latter beheaded.

Visually, the film was amazing. The Tharks looked extremely real as did the airships (loved the retro design). But the subplots only made the story more convoluted and when the final scene requires a voice-over, you know you're watching a bad movie with problems. It's really a shame because there's a good movie in there somewhere, had the right people produced and edited it.

And finally, Michael Giacchino's score completely underwhelming. So many cues sounded like LOST cues re-purposed. There was no central theme, no theme for Carter or the Tharks or the citizens of Helium (another poor choice - helium? Come on). It was just music for music's sake and didn't enhance the scenes.

I have to give this film 1.5 stars out of 5 and that's only because of Taylor Kitsch and the CGI team.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:34 PM   #123
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So I was supposed to know who John Carter was before this movie?
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:45 PM   #124
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So, I finally got through the entire movie last night. What a freaking mess.

First off, there are like FIVE antagonists in the film:

1. The people who murdered John Carter's family
2. The Union Calvery
3. The Tharks
4. The Thern
5. The Zogdangan

It's just TOO much to follow in such a short period of time. The Thern were especially ridiculous. Immortals who help species to destroy their own worlds as sport? Matai Shang specifically states they don't actually get involved, yet in later scenes, he's extremely involved, directing and guiding Sab Than.

The film would have played much better if Carter was a Union soldier in Arizona that stumbled upon the gold mine and medallion. No unnecessary backstory about his family's murder or being a Confederate, etc. The Thern were absolutely unnecessary, as was the subplot between Tars Tarkas and Tal Hajus, where it was really unnecessary to see the latter beheaded.

Visually, the film was amazing. The Tharks looked extremely real as did the airships (loved the retro design). But the subplots only made the story more convoluted and when the final scene requires a voice-over, you know you're watching a bad movie with problems. It's really a shame because there's a good movie in there somewhere, had the right people produced and edited it.

And finally, Michael Giacchino's score completely underwhelming. So many cues sounded like LOST cues re-purposed. There was no central theme, no theme for Carter or the Tharks or the citizens of Helium (another poor choice - helium? Come on). It was just music for music's sake and didn't enhance the scenes.

I have to give this film 1.5 stars out of 5 and that's only because of Taylor Kitsch and the CGI team.
The big problem wasn't that those people and plots were unnecessary, it's that there wasn't enough time to develop them. So in the end, they seemed superfluous.

The Lord of the Rings trilogy was the epitome of this.

This 3-hour movie actually took place over the course of 3 books. They shouldn't have tried to cram it all into one motion picture.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:47 PM   #125
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So I was supposed to know who John Carter was before this movie?
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:54 PM   #126
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Me, my 8 year old, and my 6 year old all got bored in the first 30 minutes and found ourselves with Legos.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:57 PM   #127
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Me, my 8 year old, and my 6 year old all got bored in the first 30 minutes and found ourselves with Legos.
My 8-year old got bored as well.

My 10-year old immediately started downloading the books. She actually isn't as fond of the movie now as she was, primarily because of how much better the books are.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:32 AM   #128
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Wish I had seen this in the theater.

I just watched this movie, and I actually enjoyed it. I didn't see it in the theater because I just didn't think Kitsch could pull off the starring role in a big budget movie.

But I thought he did well. This movie took me back to when I was a kid with Star Wars and Indiana Jones. According to Box Office Mojo it made almost $283,000,000.00 worldwide.

And Lynn Collins is pretty hot.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:00 AM   #129
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easily one of the worst films of the past 10 years. I have absolutely no clue what the Disney studio exes were thinking when they greenlighted this shit. And the budget was well over 200 million too! So glad it bombed.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:17 AM   #130
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easily one of the worst films of the past 10 years. I have absolutely no clue what the Disney studio exes were thinking when they greenlighted this shit. And the budget was well over 200 million too! So glad it bombed.
Not even close.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:57 AM   #131
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easily one of the worst films of the past 10 years. I have absolutely no clue what the Disney studio exes were thinking when they greenlighted this shit. And the budget was well over 200 million too! So glad it bombed.
Ha, I'm not sure what you were expecting. But you must not have seen a lot of movies if you think John Carter was one of the worst films of the past 10 years. I thought it was fine for what it was, and I enjoyed it. There are loads of much worse movies out there in the last decade. Loads.
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:25 AM   #132
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Easily one of the dumbest and worst films of the past 10 years and I've seen TONS of films since I'm a big film buff.

The story, acting and direction were AWFUL.

What was so good about John Carter? Honestly there wasnt one thing that was redeeming about it. Even the cgi was iffy at best
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Easily one of the dumbest and worst films of the past 10 years and I've seen TONS of films since I'm a big film buff.

The story, acting and direction were AWFUL.

What was so good about John Carter? Honestly there wasnt one thing that was redeeming about it. Even the cgi was iffy at best
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:29 AM   #134
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worst films I've seen since 2003 in no particular order

Crash
John Carter
Battleship
Clash of the Titans
Spiderman 3
Gangster Squad
Bad Boys 2
Transformers
Indiana Jones 4 (probably the worst)
Revenge of the Sith

I'm not counting all the Eddie Murphy, Jack Black, Martin Lawerence or Adam Sandler films. Those are films you know what you're getting into which is why I boycott them
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I just watched this movie, and I actually enjoyed it. I didn't see it in the theater because I just didn't think Kitsch could pull off the starring role in a big budget movie.

But I thought he did well. This movie took me back to when I was a kid with Star Wars and Indiana Jones. According to Box Office Mojo it made almost $283,000,000.00 worldwide.

And Lynn Collins is pretty hot.
I've watched this film several times since my initial scathing review and I've really enjoyed it. The biggest issue was that there were so many sub-plots to decipher, which was next to impossible with a single viewing. After watching the film as many as five time, I know see and understand the genius behind it.

Disney's biggest mistake with this film was marketing. They kept changing the title and rushing Andrew Stanton. What they should have done was to put together a 10 minute short film to explain the different cultures on Mars and how an "outsider" would affect their planet (or something along those lines) and run it before one of the Marvel film (along with releasing it online).

The bottom line for me is that it's just way too much information and back story for a single viewing.
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