Legal Elderly couple removed from longtime home

R8RFAN · 11-20-2012, 06:50 AM

Big Gubment at it's Finest... I will never live this long but to those of you blesses with longevity genes ... Keep voting for this shit..

In May 1964, Nels and Irene Highberg bought their first and only home. It was a modest, brick rancher -- no garage -- on a pleasant cul-de-sac on the edge of East Petersburg.
The Highbergs raised two sons there. They entertained neighbors there. They grew old there.
After 48 years at 6312 Miriam Circle, the Highbergs -- Nels is 92, Irene is 89 -- figured they could manage a while longer. Family and friends agreed.
But the county Office of Aging stepped in last summer, saying for safety reasons the Highbergs must move to a nursing home.
"I ain't going to go," Highberg said, according to Erick Highberg, the couple's 54-year-old son.
When a van arrived Aug. 2 to take the couple to Oak Leaf Manor in Millersville, Highberg sat in a chair in the driveway for many long minutes. He got in the van only after a police officer showed up.
"He respected her uniform," said Erick Highberg, noting his father's more than 20 years of service in the Navy and Coast Guard.
Mrs. Highberg said in a phone interview she got in the van to see what the nursing home was like. "I didn't understand we would be locked up here," she said. "They brought us in here, and they kind of disappeared real quick."
Now, after more than three months at Oak Leaf Manor, Mrs. Highberg still wants to return home.
"If I have to be here, it couldn't be better," she said. "It's a very nice place. The rooms are nice and clean, and the food is good, and they have entertainment, and we get out to do some things, musicals and such once in a while. Really, you wonder what the heck I'm complaining about. Well, it's not my house."
What prompted the Office of Aging's action was receipt June 10 of a "report of need" from a party the agency, by law, may not disclose.
The party, according to a court document, said Mrs. Highberg was confused and unable to care for herself, yet she was caring for "her incapacitated husband when she was in all likelihood more confused than he."
The Office of Aging then conducted an investigation that included a medical exam at the Highbergs' home by Dr. Robert M. Howse Jr., a geriatrics specialist. The doctor recommended placement in a dementia unit and appointment of a guardian to oversee the couple's affairs. He wrote that the Highbergs had lost the capacity for sound decision-making as long ago as January 2007.

Read more: http://lancasteronline.com/article/l...#ixzz2Clb3xvOj

mikey23545 · 11-20-2012, 07:24 AM

"What prompted the Office of Aging's action was receipt June 10 of a "report of need" from a party the agency, by law, may not disclose."

I assume this "Office of Aging" will be working hand-in-hand with the Death Panel...

**J Diddy** · 11-20-2012, 07:44 AM

I find it absolutely despicable that you would attempt to use this as some sort of political thing. This was obviously a case where they couldn't take care of themselves at an advanced age.

My grandmother is 90. Her time is coming, but right now she lives on her own because she is able to care for herself. The second that it is felt she is unable to do so is the second we begin making tough choices for her.

**Dave Lane** · 11-20-2012, 07:47 AM

He's a complete idiot troll what do you expect?

**Dave Lane** · 11-20-2012, 07:49 AM

My grandma lasted until she was 96 before we had to remove her from "her longtime home" She did make it to 105

headsnap · 11-20-2012, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I find it absolutely despicable that you would attempt to use this as some sort of political thing. This was obviously a case where they couldn't take care of themselves at an advanced age.

My grandmother is 90. Her time is coming, but right now she lives on her own because she is able to care for herself. The second that it is felt she is unable to do so is the second we begin making tough choices for her.

are you part of the 'Office of Aging'?

R8RFAN · 11-20-2012, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I find it absolutely despicable that you would attempt to use this as some sort of political thing. This was obviously a case where they couldn't take care of themselves at an advanced age.

My grandmother is 90. Her time is coming, but right now she lives on her own because she is able to care for herself. The second that it is felt she is unable to do so is the second we begin making tough choices for her.

You are so damn dumb man, I swear to God, people could do it right in front of you and you would still not believe it.

BucEyedPea · 11-20-2012, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headsnap

are you part of the 'Office of Aging'?

**J Diddy** · 11-20-2012, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers

You are so damn dumb man, I swear to God, people could do it right in front of you and you would still not believe it.

Great big conspiracy theorist you. Riddle me this: If they are suffering from dementia should they be allowed to live on their own? If their children were so concerned with this why have they allowed them to live with a loss of capacity to reason for 5 years?

If they cannot take care of themselves and the children have done nothing about it for 5 years then what should be done?

**J Diddy** · 11-20-2012, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headsnap

are you part of the 'Office of Aging'?

No, I deal with it then instead of waiting 5 years for the Office of Aging to get involved.

**Lex Luthor** · 11-20-2012, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I find it absolutely despicable that you would attempt to use this as some sort of political thing. This was obviously a case where they couldn't take care of themselves at an advanced age.

My grandmother is 90. Her time is coming, but right now she lives on her own because she is able to care for herself. The second that it is felt she is unable to do so is the second we begin making tough choices for her.

It's entirely possible that the old couple is not capable of taking care of themselves. But it wasn't obvious to me from the article.

It would have been nice if actual examples had been given that prove the case. All we really have is the stated opinion of some bureaucrat doctor.

**loochy** · 11-20-2012, 08:37 AM

Well, I declare J Diddy is not capable of taking care of himself.

Off to the nursing home you go! Say goodbye to your home forever.

How would you like that?

**J Diddy** · 11-20-2012, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainiac

It's entirely possible that the old couple is not capable of taking care of themselves. But it wasn't obvious to me from the article.

It would have been nice if actual examples had been given that prove the case. All we really have is the stated opinion of some bureaucrat doctor.

A doctor who swore an oath to do no harm. One who stated that they have not possessed the ability to reason in half a decade. I would be inclined to think his verdict on this decision was well concluded, but I concede that, although very unlikely, it could be part of a giant granny grabbing scheme.

jiveturkey · 11-20-2012, 08:39 AM

So county gov now equals big gov?

I thought that the conservative argument pushed for more localized government. If they're abusing their powers then you can vote someone else in or you get to move to a different county. This is how a lot of states rights debates are settled.

**J Diddy** · 11-20-2012, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy

Well, I declare J Diddy is not capable of taking care of himself.

Off to the nursing home you go! Say goodbye to your home forever.

How would you like that?

Are you a doctor? Have I been suffering from dementia for 5 years?

If both are true then I wouldn't mind due to the fact that you are qualified to make that assumption and that I have dementia.

11-20-2012, 06:50 AM
R8RFAN Molôn Labé Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Casino cash: $20007	Elderly couple removed from longtime home Big Gubment at it's Finest... I will never live this long but to those of you blesses with longevity genes ... Keep voting for this shit.. In May 1964, Nels and Irene Highberg bought their first and only home. It was a modest, brick rancher -- no garage -- on a pleasant cul-de-sac on the edge of East Petersburg. The Highbergs raised two sons there. They entertained neighbors there. They grew old there. After 48 years at 6312 Miriam Circle, the Highbergs -- Nels is 92, Irene is 89 -- figured they could manage a while longer. Family and friends agreed. But the county Office of Aging stepped in last summer, saying for safety reasons the Highbergs must move to a nursing home. "I ain't going to go," Highberg said, according to Erick Highberg, the couple's 54-year-old son. When a van arrived Aug. 2 to take the couple to Oak Leaf Manor in Millersville, Highberg sat in a chair in the driveway for many long minutes. He got in the van only after a police officer showed up. "He respected her uniform," said Erick Highberg, noting his father's more than 20 years of service in the Navy and Coast Guard. Mrs. Highberg said in a phone interview she got in the van to see what the nursing home was like. "I didn't understand we would be locked up here," she said. "They brought us in here, and they kind of disappeared real quick." Now, after more than three months at Oak Leaf Manor, Mrs. Highberg still wants to return home. "If I have to be here, it couldn't be better," she said. "It's a very nice place. The rooms are nice and clean, and the food is good, and they have entertainment, and we get out to do some things, musicals and such once in a while. Really, you wonder what the heck I'm complaining about. Well, it's not my house." What prompted the Office of Aging's action was receipt June 10 of a "report of need" from a party the agency, by law, may not disclose. The party, according to a court document, said Mrs. Highberg was confused and unable to care for herself, yet she was caring for "her incapacitated husband when she was in all likelihood more confused than he." The Office of Aging then conducted an investigation that included a medical exam at the Highbergs' home by Dr. Robert M. Howse Jr., a geriatrics specialist. The doctor recommended placement in a dementia unit and appointment of a guardian to oversee the couple's affairs. He wrote that the Highbergs had lost the capacity for sound decision-making as long ago as January 2007. Read more: http://lancasteronline.com/article/l...#ixzz2Clb3xvOj
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mikey23545 MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $15421	"What prompted the Office of Aging's action was receipt June 10 of a "report of need" from a party the agency, by law, may not disclose." I assume this "Office of Aging" will be working hand-in-hand with the Death Panel...
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J Diddy One Groovy Cat Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Pitt State baby Casino cash: $27292	I find it absolutely despicable that you would attempt to use this as some sort of political thing. This was obviously a case where they couldn't take care of themselves at an advanced age. My grandmother is 90. Her time is coming, but right now she lives on her own because she is able to care for herself. The second that it is felt she is unable to do so is the second we begin making tough choices for her.
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Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, Mo, USA Casino cash: $43375 VARSITY	My grandma lasted until she was 96 before we had to remove her from "her longtime home" She did make it to 105 __________________ Thanks, Trump for the civics lesson. We are learning so much about impeachment, the 25th Amendment, order of succession, nepotism, separation of powers, 1st Amendment, obstruction of justice, the emoluments clause, Logan Act, conflicts of interest, collusion, sanctions, oligarchs, money laundering and so much more.
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jiveturkey Captain Kick Ass Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $15297	So county gov now equals big gov? I thought that the conservative argument pushed for more localized government. If they're abusing their powers then you can vote someone else in or you get to move to a different county. This is how a lot of states rights debates are settled.
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