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Old 11-17-2012, 01:58 PM  
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BREAKING: The president knew the truth about Benghazi

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ri...5445_blog.html


BREAKING: The president knew the truth about Benghazi

By Jennifer Rubin, Published: NOVEMBER 16, 5:18 PM ET


In a blockbuster report, John Solomon, the former Associated Press and Post reporter, has ferreted out the president’s daily brief that informed him within 72 hours of the Sept. 11 attack that the Benghazi attack was a jihadist operation.

Citing officials directly familiar with the information, Solomon writes in the Washington Guardian that Obama and other administration officials were told that “that the attack was likely carried out by local militia and other armed extremists sympathetic to al-Qaida in the region.”

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The details from the CIA and Pentagon assessments of the killing of Ambassador Chris [Stevens] were far more specific, more detailed and more current than the unclassified talking points that UN Ambassador Susan Rice and other officials used five days after the attack to suggest to Americans that an unruly mob angry over an anti-Islamic video was to blame, officials said.

Most of the details affirming al-Qaida links were edited or excluded from the unclassified talking points used by Rice in appearances on news programs the weekend after the attack, officials confirmed Friday. Multiple agencies were involved in excising information, doing so because it revealed sources and methods, dealt with classified intercepts or involved information that was not yet fully confirmed, the officials said.

Solomon cautions that there were bits of evidence pointing to a spontaneous attack but, as Eli Lake of the Daily Beast and others have reported, he writes: “Among the early evidence cited in the briefings to the president and other senior officials were intercepts showing some of the participants were known members or supporters of Ansar al-Sharia — the al-Qaida-sympathizing militia in Libya — and the AQIM, which is a direct affiliate of al-Qaida in northern Africa, the officials said.”

How could the president and his senior staff then have allowed (or rather, sent) Rice to go out to tell an entirely different tale to the American people on Sept. 16 on five TV shows?

This report indicates that the president certainly knew that Benghazi wasn’t a rogue movie review gone bad. He had information that plainly spelled out what was later confirmed by additional intelligence. If this information was too confidential to share with the public, at the very least the president and others should not have mislead voters.

This is a full-blown scandal, and in light of this information, the press corps’s slothful indifference to uncovering the truth at Wednesday’s news conference with Obama is all the more shocking. It is time for the president to come clean. The scandal has now enveloped the Oval Office and will define his second term, if not resolved satisfactorily.

The irony of this is that Rice may well have been used as a patsy, unaware that she was sent out to spin a misleading tale. My colleague Dana Milbank recounts Rice’s long-standing inability to get along with others and to be circumspect in her pronouncements:

It’s true that, in her much-criticized TV performance, she was reciting talking points given to her by the intelligence agencies. But that’s the trouble. Rice stuck with her points even though they had been contradicted by the president of the Libyan National Assembly, who, on CBS’s ‘Face the Nation’ just before Rice, said there was “no doubt” that the attack on Americans in Benghazi “was preplanned.” Rice rebutted the Libyan official, arguing — falsely, it turned out — that there was no evidence of such planning. . . . Obama can do better at State than Susan Rice.

Frankly the same could be said of many national security positions at this point. The American people made their choice in November on the president, but it now appears they were duped regarding the real facts concerning Benghazi. What are we going to do about that?
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:52 PM   #226
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They burn it in the evenings to set the tone on a quiet evening with their spouse. Sometimes things heat up between them.

We have found ( through a Kroger survey )that it is usually the women who buy the logs by the gas pumps, out in front of the store to take home and have the man start the fire when she cooks supper. Women get the wood, the movies, groceries on the way home and have an evening at home instead of going out.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:53 PM   #227
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A fireplace or for their smoker?
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:05 PM   #228
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I find it amazing we can start a topic and before long we have multiple topics open in one thread.

Are we here at CP all that good or severely inattentive with staying on topic?
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:09 PM   #229
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I find it amazing we can start a topic and before long we have multiple topics open in one thread.

Are we here at CP all that good or severely inattentive with staying on topic?
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:16 PM   #230
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:46 PM   #231
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They burn it in the evenings to set the tone on a quiet evening with their spouse. Sometimes things heat up between them.

We have found ( through a Kroger survey )that it is usually the women who buy the logs by the gas pumps, out in front of the store to take home and have the man start the fire when she cooks supper. Women get the wood, the movies, groceries on the way home and have an evening at home instead of going out.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:47 PM   #232
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You just don't get it, do ya. The oil flowing to Patoka,IL & Texas refineries are refining that oil for American consumption. Why would they want to build a pipeline that cost millions of dollars to refine it and ship it to Asia at a higher cost of shipping when they can go straight west to British Columbia,refine it and ship it cheaper ?
No, you don't get it—it's still relies on eminent domain abuse. Kelo here we come.

On who gets the use of that oil, I have contrary facts per those links. Also the number of jobs is exaggerated. It's more like 5000.
The oil reaches Texas Gulf refineries but there's no certainty they will be sold in the US. However, it was meant to go to Asia. We're just the middleman.

Five Fallacies of Keystone Pipeline.
http://moneymorning.com/2011/12/20/f...-oil-pipeline/
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:29 PM   #233
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No, you don't get it—it's still relies on eminent domain abuse. Kelo here we come.

On who gets the use of that oil, I have contrary facts per those links. Also the number of jobs is exaggerated. It's more like 5000.
The oil reaches Texas Gulf refineries but there's no certainty they will be sold in the US. However, it was meant to go to Asia. We're just the middleman.

Five Fallacies of Keystone Pipeline.
http://moneymorning.com/2011/12/20/f...-oil-pipeline/
BINGO. And this goes for all oil that is actually drilled here as well.
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Be in denial all you want. It appears more and more that Obama lied to the American people. Just because you don't like that doesn't mean it's true. That also means where you get your info from, the liberal media, did their best to run out the clock on this before the election. How messed up is that? Of course you libs don't care because your line of thinking is messed up too.

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Let's say that you're right and that the media didn't report it.

Do you really think that those people that voted for Obama would have voted for Romney or not voted at all?

I think you're smoking crack if you think the answer is either.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:12 PM   #235
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As long as you fail to answer 4 softball questions that were throw to you 2 times now, you will be looked upon as one who will not answer or will use his liberal spin, lie or deflect as you did the first time.

Your comments that had nothing to do with the questions.

The poll was a bad idea with most asshats here, voting before Slick Willie even answered.
What does any of this even mean?

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Old 11-19-2012, 09:18 PM   #236
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No, you don't get it—it's still relies on eminent domain abuse. Kelo here we come.

On who gets the use of that oil, I have contrary facts per those links. Also the number of jobs is exaggerated. It's more like 5000.
The oil reaches Texas Gulf refineries but there's no certainty they will be sold in the US. However, it was meant to go to Asia. We're just the middleman.

Five Fallacies of Keystone Pipeline.
http://moneymorning.com/2011/12/20/f...-oil-pipeline/
Let me try to clear a few things up here about the Keystone Pipeline job on a freaking Bengahzi thread!

You are bitching about eminent domain abuse
...... get over yourself. You act as though this happens everyday by all business & politicians. It happens at times, but from what I know it's for the betterment of the community, state, region, etc. Mostly by way of jobs to the community. I do not know of ANYBODY that has not been compensated well for it. Sometimes people are just too stubborn to allow progress to take place for pride or principal. When this happens, it sucks, I can relate to the family feelings on their land. But something of this magnitude produces many jobs.

Your bitching on jobs .............5000, don't kid yourself or that article. You have no clue.... The current project will produce 20,000 construction jobs over the life of the project. Projects like this, along with additional investment in oil sands development in Canada and expansion of pipelines and refineries in the U.S. make it possible to realize an additional 500,000 U.S. jobs in 2035.

You want to figure in the additional jobs it feeds too, trucking,pipe building, construction mats, pipeline skids,pipe joints and supplies,construction machinery,linemen, additional refineries workers, fuel transportation, crap the list goes on the number of jobs it builds and helps to maintain in our economy.

You are too shallow, you only see 1 or 2 talking points and jump on the bandwagon it's turns into a freaking crusade.

What part of capitalism do you not understand ?
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:41 PM   #237
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Who would it "tip off"?
why would you wanna tell you enemies, you knew what they did and you were tracking them?

I understand protection broke down and was badly done, but vengeance should not be telegraphed....

or maybe he should take the W posture of they aren't important?
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:18 AM   #238
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why would you wanna tell you enemies, you knew what they did and you were tracking them?

I understand protection broke down and was badly done, but vengeance should not be telegraphed....

or maybe he should take the W posture of they aren't important?
Kind of like when Bin Laden was killed? O'Bama went against the recommendations of the military so he could immediatley cash in political points, but this situation is different?
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Supplemental heat. Maybe it’s just more common around here but mine and many of my friend’s houses have a stove, wood or pellet, for supplemental heat.
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Let's say that you're right and that the media didn't report it.

Do you really think that those people that voted for Obama would have voted for Romney or not voted at all?

I think you're smoking crack if you think the answer is either.
Let's say???? They did hold back. It's not the only thing the liberal establishment held back before the election. You can almost make a case for the huge jump in jobless claims, also the jump in welfare recipients, and the Petraeus affair.

It's a pretty powerful establishment that is able to hold back information for political purposes. You would think if these issues were available to the American voter, they would be able to make an informed decision. Much of this was not so we'll never know. We'll just have to live with the consequences.

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