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Old 11-17-2012, 10:37 AM  
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Do Target workers deserve a shortened Black Friday?



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Old 11-17-2012, 12:43 PM   #76
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Most major retailers pay "holiday pay" which is a guaranteed 8 hours on top of your normal pay.
negative. "black" Friday is not an official holiday.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:43 PM   #77
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I bet half of them take it off and then go shop. Worthless and unappreciative.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:44 PM   #78
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negative. "black" Friday is not an official holiday.
We arent talking about the day after Thanksgiving.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:44 PM   #79
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If they don't have to be to the store until 7 or 8pm, they need to and go to work. I was under the impression that they would have to be there much earlier.

Here is my question, though.

Does the store manager have to be there at the same time as the average Joe workers? I'm not talking about dept managers or mid level guys...does the store manager have to work that night?
A big sales day like that? I bet the store manager is there.
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negative. "black" Friday is not an official holiday.
Working on Thanksgiving is a holiday.....whether you call it Black Friday or not.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:48 PM   #81
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A big sales day like that? I bet the store manager is there.
He SHOULD be if they are telling the average joes they have to be.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:48 PM   #82
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Most major retailers pay "holiday pay" which is a guaranteed 8 hours on top of your normal pay.
I don't consider "holiday pay" on the same level as overtime pay. I a worker qualifies for holiday pay, they will receive that pay whether they work that day or not. You can't consider this as extra pay for that day because it is pay they would receive anyway. For the hours that the employee is actually working they are getting paid their normal wage.

IMO the only businesses that should be open on major holidays are the ones that are necessary for quality of life, i.e. hospitals, fire departments, police departments, etc. . . Nobody "needs" to shop at Wal-Mart, Target, or any other major retailer on Thanksgiving day. If all major retailers would come up with some sort of rule that they all stay closed on major holidays, their businesses wouldn't be affected negatively either. People would just have to wait an extra day to buy all the cheap products manufactured in China.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:49 PM   #83
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So overnight workers are shocked they have to work overnight on one of the busiest days? LOL

And you guys aren't paying close attention. Target is NOT trying to one up Wal-mart or other stores because they are one of the ones not opening at 8 pm. Sure they don't want to miss out but they are least opening an hour later. And this crap about them getting there a few hours early? Maybe management but the regular workers have no reason to get there before 8:30 if the place was prepared properly the day and night before.
I can tell you have reading comprehension issues. I never said they were shocked or made any mention of her reaction, bud. I included it because I wanted to highlight that it was a forced issue. They have no say as to whether or not they'll have the day off. IN MY OPINION, that blows, BUT I continued on in my initial post saying that I understand it is somewhat expected at retail stores so it will be up to the employees to deal with their situation as they see fit.

How is this not an attempt to one up each other? Two years ago Wal-Mart opened at midnight, last year they opened at 10 PM and this year they're opening at 8 PM with Target following suit and opening at 9 PM.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:52 PM   #84
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:57 PM   #85
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If they don't have to be to the store until 7 or 8pm, they need to and go to work. I was under the impression that they would have to be there much earlier.

Here is my question, though.

Does the store manager have to be there at the same time as the average Joe workers? I'm not talking about dept managers or mid level guys...does the store manager have to work that night?
Oh you know they will make an appearance to stay in good with the district manager but I am sure any manager that is not a n00b won't be spending the whole shift there.
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:00 PM   #86
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Hell we have to work the Wednesday night before thanksgiving and I have been hung out on a long run until 11 am on Thanksgiving day with no sleep and I have been working there 18 years...

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Old 11-17-2012, 01:01 PM   #87
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I don't consider "holiday pay" on the same level as overtime pay. I a worker qualifies for holiday pay, they will receive that pay whether they work that day or not. You can't consider this as extra pay for that day because it is pay they would receive anyway. For the hours that the employee is actually working they are getting paid their normal wage.

IMO the only businesses that should be open on major holidays are the ones that are necessary for quality of life, i.e. hospitals, fire departments, police departments, etc. . . Nobody "needs" to shop at Wal-Mart, Target, or any other major retailer on Thanksgiving day. If all major retailers would come up with some sort of rule that they all stay closed on major holidays, their businesses wouldn't be affected negatively either. People would just have to wait an extra day to buy all the cheap products manufactured in China.
I think wal mart should be widespread boycotted, anyways. Damn near everything there used to be made in the USA and that's what made it great, now they are just exploiting this country and making it borderline impossible to maintain small business.

Asa far as your holiday pay argument, I don't really agree with you. The economy is what it is and companies are doing what they can this year to maintain their workforces while staying profitable. Otherwise those people might not have those jobs to worry about next year. If a company is willing to pay you twice for working and is being reasonable with the timing of said request, and go to work.
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Oh you know they will make an appearance to stay in good with the district manager but I am sure any manager that is not a n00b won't be spending the whole shift there.
If I worked there and the store manager himself wouldn't at least show up for a couple hours, neither would I.
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