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Old 11-13-2012, 06:07 AM  
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Republicans shifting towards climate change legislation.

Thank you god.

Can we get this done in the next two years, please?

Norquist seems to be pushing for it to be part of the Grand Bargain. The last time Obama scored energy legislation it was wrapped up in the stimulus package. Wrapping up more energy legislation in a Grand Bargain would be consistent with that -- never let an opportunity go to waste, amiright?

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Norquist: Carbon-Tax Swap for Income-Tax Cut Wouldn't Violate No-Tax-Hike Pledge
Coral Davenport
November 12, 2012 | 5:09 p.m.

In a step that may help crack open the partisan impasse on climate change, Grover Norquist, the influential lobbyist who has bound hundreds of Republicans to a pledge never to raise taxes, told National Journal that a proposed “carbon tax swap”—taxing carbon pollution in exchange for cutting the income tax—would not violate his pledge.

Norquist’s assessment matters a lot, and could help pave the way for at least a handful of Republicans to support the policy. Over the past six months, a growing number of conservative voices, including former Republican officials and renowned economists, have amped up pressure on their party to finally address climate change.

One group, the Energy and Enterprise Initiative headed by former Rep. Bob Inglis, R-S.C., has been working for months to persuade the GOP to take up a carbon-tax swap as part of a broad tax-reform package next year. The idea is to create a market signal to drive consumers away from fossil fuels by taxing the carbon pollution caused by burning coal, oil, and natural gas.

The problem is that creating a new “energy tax” would be viewed by some as political suicide. And Republicans who have signed Norquist’s pledge would be barred from supporting it.

That’s where the “swap” side of the policy comes in: The new carbon tax would be paired with a cut in the income tax—something Republicans have long sought. The idea essentially would be to cut the tax on income and move it over to carbon pollution—keeping the proposal revenue-neutral.

“It’s possible you could structure something that wasn’t an increase and didn’t violate the pledge,” Norquist told National Journal.

But Norquist made clear he himself doesn’t like the policy. “It would infuriate taxpayers,” he said. He also opined that politically, it’s beyond a long shot. While supporters might now be talking about how to structure the tax swap in such a way that it could win political support, “It’s a conversation about what color unicorn you’d like,” Norquist said.

“If the Democrats thought it was a good idea and the country wouldn’t hate them for it they would have done it in 2009,” when their party held majorities in both chambers of Congress, he said.

Still, if the tax swap could indeed be structured in such a way that it wouldn’t violate Norquist’s pledge, it could remove at least one political obstacle for some Republicans.

“We hear frequently, constantly from Republican lawmakers who say, we see climate change as a huge problem and we want to talk about ways to do this, but for now they’re afraid to talk about it, because of the political repercussions,” said Rob Sisson, president of the group ConservAmerica, formerly Republicans for Environmental Protection.

Conversation about a carbon tax is increasing in Washington. In September, the Congressional Budget Office released a report concluding that a carbon tax on its own—not paired with a tax cut elsewhere—could reduce the federal deficit by 10 percent to 50 percent.

The day after the presidential election, the global bank HSBC put out a research note identifying a carbon tax as a policy that could emerge in President Obama’s second term.

On Tuesday, the Brookings Institution hosts a daylong conference on the economics of a carbon tax, featuring speakers from CBO, the Treasury Department, and the International Monetary Fund.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:00 PM   #76
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Is this just physics that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:02 PM   #77
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Climate change happens all the time in nature. For instance, winter is coming and it's getting colder.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:04 PM   #78
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Because climate change is more or less a more complete description of the issue.
You do realize that the cynics would take issue with your explanation, yes?
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:05 PM   #79
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You do realize that the cynics would take issue with your explanation, yes?
I'm pretty sure they take issue with everything.

It doesn't change the science.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:05 PM   #80
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Because climate change is more or less a more complete description of the issue.
He didn't get it the first 5 times. I don't think #6 is going to do it.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:08 PM   #81
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Wow, the climate changes...paint me shocked and what not. Next thing you know the earth will start spinning, continents will separate and if we don't watch it, there might be lava spewing from under the ground which some are call "volcanoes".

Some have even predicted that the sun, that's that large orange thing in the sky, will get warmer and bigger. Others predict that the moon will start to pull away from the earth ever so slightly each year.

And some real whackos think that not only are there these things called magnetic poles, but that they shift every so often.

It's just sad that none of the poor souls that spout the above realize that the SUV is what is ****ing everything up.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:09 PM   #82
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To try one more time to answer Donger's question, because climate change includes more frequent storm events, changing precipitation patterns, changing wind patterns, etc. in addition to a general warming trend.
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I'm pretty sure they take issue with everything.

It doesn't change the science.
What science? Those British chaps?
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:11 PM   #84
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He didn't get it the first 5 times. I don't think #6 is going to do it.
I got it just fine. I was just trying to see if Direckshun would be willing to entertain the possibility that global warming was no longer readily sale-able, so "they" changed it from the specific to the general.
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This is a horrible idea at this point. You don't get the economy moving by raising fuel costs. I agree we need to make incentives to move towards green energy but the economy is too tapped to take this right now.
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What science? Those British chaps?
That the globe is warming at an unprecedented rate, for starters.
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That the globe is warming at an unprecedented rate, for starters.
According to the British chaps?
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According to the British chaps?
I don't know who you're referring to? Is that a band?
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:19 PM   #89
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The recent bout of global warming, however, has no precedent.

The planet has been warming in years and decades in ways that previously took centuries.

That's not for no reason.
translation: we're all gonna die, pay me bitch! /Shaman
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Link, or you're full of it.



You heard it here first, folks.

If we attempt to slow global warming, we are daring to invite the next ice age.
The climate is always changing so it is either warming or cooling.

And I am simply pointing out that if we accept the premise that humanity can change the climate in one direction then we must accept the premise that we can change it in the other. Hence if we can warm the planet we can cool it and if you think that it is asinine to think we can precipitate an ice age then you should re-examine your entire premise there sparky.
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