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Old 11-13-2012, 06:19 AM  
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Anybody still think Haley shouldn't have been fired?

I say he should have and am glad he is gone.

There he was front and center, the new OC of the Steelers playing Monday night to a national audience and his chance to bury the team that fired him for being the hack that he his. That is the best he could do against a 1-8 team? Those little passes sideways sure reminded me of the good ol days of him in KC. He didn't fool the Chiefs once with that lunacy.

A very poor effort indeed guiding an offense against the worst team in the NFL. His scheme to protect the QB didn't work out to well.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:58 PM   #106
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So, if Haley isn't preserving Ben's career, what exactly is he doing?

Just asking...
Joe Montana played in a dink and dunk offense designed to get the ball out fast, and he missed numerous games throughout his career.

No system is a perfect QB protection system.

Pass rushes are going to get to QBs at some point, regardless of systems.

But keep showing your stupidity.

It's highly entertaining from my perspective.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:01 PM   #107
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Joe Montana played in a dink and dunk offense designed to get the ball out fast, and he missed numerous games throughout his career.

No system is a perfect QB protection system.

Pass rushes are going to get to QBs at some point, regardless of systems.

But keep showing your stupidity.

It's highly entertaining from my perspective.
Why take everything away from Ben that makes him great if he is going to get hurt anyway?

Why keep him in the pocket and make him throw short when he is one of the best scrambling playmakers and has one of the biggest arms in the league?

Might as well let him live and die by his game. Kind of like what Tomlin was talking about on Gruden's bus. "Ben does what Ben does."
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:10 PM   #108
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Why take everything away from Ben that makes him great if he is going to get hurt anyway?

Why keep him in the pocket and make him throw short when he is one of the best scrambling playmakers and has one of the biggest arms in the league?

Might as well let him live and die by his game. Kind of like what Tomlin was talking about on Gruden's bus. "Ben does what Ben does."
Until last night, this is the healthiest Roethlisberger has been this late into the season in 3 or 4 years.

He's not a young man anymore.

Try the best you can to keep him healthy into the playoffs, then let him make his plays.

He can't win you a SB if he isn't healthy enough to be Big Ben when it matters most, as the Donkey playoff game last year illustrated.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:22 PM   #109
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Why take everything away from Ben that makes him great if he is going to get hurt anyway?

Why keep him in the pocket and make him throw short when he is one of the best scrambling playmakers and has one of the biggest arms in the league?

Might as well let him live and die by his game. Kind of like what Tomlin was talking about on Gruden's bus. "Ben does what Ben does."
He should only be doing that when the play breaks down. Too much 'send 'em deep and run around' will also get you beat. It's easier to attack specific weakness in a defense when there are progressions and reads and shit like that.

'Taking away' that part of his game has made him more efficient, with a better TD perecentage AND better TD-INT ratio.

And he's still dangerous outside the pocket, and Haley does call rollouts and bootlegs to utilize the strengths of his qb. A good coach doesn't put all their eggs in one basket...and Haley has actually diversified that offense. They can still go deep, they can still be explosive...players are still players. Did you see that shallow cross to Wallace against NY?? That was pretty explosive - now, they can explode in different ways.

Haley is one of the best offensive minds in the league; to even argue otherwise is asinine.
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It got them to three Superbowls. It's dumb to waste his talent imo. Let Ben play his game until he can't play no more. Furthermore, they have the fastest WR in the league. The fastest WR to come around in a long time. Why have him try and make plays from short passes rather than let him do what he is good at.

To me, this is the exact problem Haley had in KC. He forces his offense on the players and doesn't play to their strengths. We were so much better with Weis.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:26 PM   #111
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It got them to three Superbowls. It's dumb to waste his talent imo. Let Ben play his game until he can't play no more. Furthermore, they have the fastest WR in the league. The fastest WR to come around in a long time. Why have him try and make plays from short passes rather than let him do what he is good at.

To me, this is the exact problem Haley had in KC. He forces his offense on the players and doesn't play to their strengths. We were so much better with Weis.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:27 PM   #112
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It got them to three Superbowls. It's dumb to waste his talent imo. Let Ben play his game until he can't play no more. Furthermore, they have the fastest WR in the league. The fastest WR to come around in a long time. Why have him try and make plays from short passes rather than let him do what he is good at.

To me, this is the exact problem Haley had in KC. He forces his offense on the players and doesn't play to their strengths. We were so much better with Weis.

Fail.
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It's pro football. People get hurt in every game of every week. That's the point and he can't save Big Ben. What Haley is doing is stupid. His offense is a Ferrari and he is driving like an old lady.
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It's pro football. People get hurt in every game of every week. That's the point and he can't save Big Ben. What Haley is doing is stupid. His offense is a Ferrari and he is driving like an old lady.
You don't need to race the Ferrari to the grocery store for milk and honey.
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It's pro football. People get hurt in every game of every week. That's the point and he can't save Big Ben. What Haley is doing is stupid. His offense is a Ferrari and he is driving like an old lady.
Big Ben is producing more yards and more points this year than at any time in his career.

Don't get me wrong. Todd was a shitty head coach, and if going through a year of Romeo is what it takes to finally get that position right, then I'm glad he got fired.

But it's dumb to say the guy is incompetent as an offensive coordinator
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It's pro football. People get hurt in every game of every week. That's the point and he can't save Big Ben. What Haley is doing is stupid. His offense is a Ferrari and he is driving like an old lady.
You're right.

It is pro football, and people do get hurt.

But if Roethlisberger comes back in a couple of weeks and stays as healthy through the remainder of the season as he had been through the first half of the season, and is healthy for the playoffs, then the Steelers accomplished what they hired Haley to do.
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You're right.

It is pro football, and people do get hurt.

But if Roethlisberger comes back in a couple of weeks and stays as healthy through the remainder of the season as he had been through the first half of the season, and is healthy for the playoffs, then the Steelers accomplished what they hired Haley to do.
If they don't make the playoffs, Todd Haley will be fired imo. have you noticed his demeanor this year? Have you seen him yelling?

This is it Milkman. This is Haley's last shot. All the BS about him getting another shot is absurd right now.

He better pray four times a day that Ben heals up or the Steelers are going to realize they need offensive linemen and not Todd Haley.
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I shed no tears when Haley left KC. Regardless of what you think of Pioli and Clark, you can't have a subordinate openly defy the boss. What pissed me off was that he also flipped off the fans.
Now, would we have had the number of stupid penalties and turnovers if he was still the HC? Probably not, but we'd still be towards the bottom of the league standings because of his play calling.
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I shed no tears when Haley left KC. Regardless of what you think of Pioli and Clark, you can't have a subordinate openly defy the boss. What pissed me off was that he also flipped off the fans.
Now, would we have had the number of stupid penalties and turnovers if he was still the HC? Probably not, but we'd still be towards the bottom of the league standings because of his play calling.
I don't know man. Pittsburgh is more penalized than we are.
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