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Old 11-13-2012, 12:05 PM  
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I think it's gonna be Barkley.

I think that Smith has more obvious physical ability, but there are real questions about offensive system he's in and his performance against real competition.

Barkley's a good bet to at least be a solid NFL QB. Intangibles are all there, and he's run a pro style offense for 4 years.

I think people are making too big of a deal about his arm being weak; it's not weak, it's just not elite. He's super accurate, though.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:34 PM   #31
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Pocket Presence, ability to read a defense and accuracy is a must for whomever we draft.

if we get that and get rid of Cassel i'm a happy camper.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:35 PM   #32
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Watch the Stanford clips and even Syracuse this year. Barkley's system protects him a lot. Against Syracuse I'd say 70% of his passes were 2 yards down field or less. He makes some boneheaded plays under pressure.
I've watched plenty of both or them (though i will re-watch again and again im sure) and i recall Geno having the same issues. Geno also throws a lot of short stuff that his WR's take for big gainers.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:37 PM   #33
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Pocket Presence, ability to read a defense and accuracy is a must for whomever we draft.

if we get that and get rid of Cassel i'm a happy camper.
And i see more of that in Barkley and Wilson than i do Smith.

This past saturday i watched Smith miss wide open throws downf ield and nearly give the game away on a would be interception.

The guy needs work.

Once again, i don't see a clear cut winner yet.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:38 PM   #34
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Why is the Matt Ryan comparison more accurate than comparing him to Sanchez or Leinert?
Sanchez was a 1 year starter.

Barkley hasn't had nearly the hype Leinart did but I could understand someone making a comparison there.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:39 PM   #35
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Sanchez was a 1 year starter.

Barkley hasn't had nearly the hype Leinart did but I could understand someone making a comparison there.
And then when you compare Barkley to Leinart, it's pretty clear that one is vastly more mature than the other.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:39 PM   #36
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I've watched plenty of both or them (though i will re-watch again and again im sure) and i recall Geno having the same issues. Geno also throws a lot of short stuff that his WR's take for big gainers.
Both Barkley and Smith benefit from YAC but that is because they put the ball in the perfect spot for the receiver to keep on going. No matter how open someone is, if the QB isn't very accurate there won't be those long pass plays with the receiver breaking it after the catch.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:40 PM   #37
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Both Barkley and Smith benefit from YAC but that is because they put the ball in the perfect spot for the receiver to keep on going. No matter how open someone is, if the QB isn't very accurate there won't be those long pass plays with the receiver breaking it after the catch.
Oh i agree.

All the more reason we need to draft one and get rid of Cassel.

It doesn't matter which one you get if all you're looking for is an upgrade.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:40 PM   #38
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Sanchez started one year and left early. Not much in common other than the system.

Leinert-nothing in common other than the system. Lefty, even less arm strength, not nearly as accurate, not a dedicated student of the game, lack of film study really showed up in the NFL. Intangibles sucked.

Matt Ryan-all the intangibles are there, similar arm, from a similar system. Ryan has shown a similar skillset and mental makeup being successful in the NFL. Ryan is a good picture of upside. I think a pre-shoulder injury Pennington would be the floor. Either is a drastic improvement.

All that being said, I'm not saying I think he's better than Smith or Wilson, just that I think he'll be the pick for a gunshy franchise.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:43 PM   #39
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Just me, but I prefer Barkley. Four year starter, has improved every year, pro style offense, etc. I'd be fine with any of the top three though.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:43 PM   #40
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Barkley isn't even good enough to have a great season with a team stacked with talent. I want a QB that makes a team better than it is.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:45 PM   #41
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All that being said, I'm not saying I think he's better than Smith or Wilson, just that I think he'll be the pick for a gunshy franchise.
Very well could be. Barkley has "safe" written all over him.
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Barkley isn't even good enough to have a great season with a team stacked with talent. I want a QB that makes a team better than it is.
Is the team stacked with talent, or is Barkley making the talent around him better?
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:46 PM   #43
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Agree. Definitely a difference.

But I'd say Tom Brady is just about as immobile as it gets. He still manages.

I just don't think mobility will be an issue for Barkley.
Tom Brady doesn't scramble, but his pocket mobility is the best I've seen since Terry Bradshaw.

No one glides in the pocket to avoid pressure better.
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Barkley isn't even good enough to have a great season with a team stacked with talent. I want a QB that makes a team better than it is.
2011 wasn't a great year for him?
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Tom Brady doesn't scramble, but his pocket mobility is the best I've seen since Terry Bradshaw.

No one glides in the pocket to avoid pressure better.
Okay I digress. Before this stems off into Tom Brady talk etc.

Do you think Matt Barkley's pocket mobility will be an issue? Neither do I.
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