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Old 09-24-2012, 12:53 PM  
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Nightfyre's initial QB rankings

My current QB rankings:
1) Geno Smith
t2) Tyler Wilson
t2) Matt Barkley
4) Logan Thomas
5) EJ Manuel
6) Aaron Murray
7) AJ McCarron
8) Tyler Bray
9) Landry Jones

Just thought you might all like to know.
Just to keep the record straight, my history is as follows:
2009: I was on the draft Sanchez bandwagon
2010: I was on the draft Bradford/Clausen bandwagon
2011: I was against Cam Newton and Jake Locker, but on board with Gabbert, Ponder and Mallett in the second AND third
2012: I was on the Andrew Luck bandwagon in early 2011 and was probably one of the first here to get on the RGIII bandwagon. I also proposed drafting Russell Wilson in the third and was among his biggest advocates here.

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Old 10-02-2012, 10:43 AM   #16
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What the !@#$ does Tyler Wilson have to do for anyone to consider the possibility that he's overrated?

People are honestly still taking this kid ahead of Bray? He's nothing but a system QB. Last week was another one of those weeks where he racked up garbage-time stats and had his only good play in a ball he threw about 3 yards downfield on a swing pass that his WR then outran guys to get the corner and score.

This is just crazy sauce. Folks - Tyler Wilson just isn't very good.

I'll just re-state my rankings from the Walter Football thread:

Geno

Bray
Barkley
Murray

Wilson

Thomas
Manuel
Glennon

Jones
Rest of the chaff...
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:53 AM   #17
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I wouldn't draft Jones, surprised by the Murray love

there is something missing with him i can't put my finger on...
Size.

Murray's just a little too small to be a true 'pro-style' Quarterback. And I know that people love to point to Brees as proof that small QBs can excel, but c'mon, Brees is a God. He's the exception that proves the rule.

Murray isn't Brees - and this is from someone that's higher on Murray than most. That said, he does so many of the things a smart QB does. He's very polished, very intelligent and a good leader. If you could take his technique and give it to Bray, you'd have a better prospect than Stafford was.

Murray's height and body type just don't lend themselves to being an elite QB. He could be an outlier, but it's unlikely. For every Brees there are a dozen McCoys (or soon, Russell Wilson's - c'mon fellas, the kid isn't good). Now Murrays not quite that small, but with an arm that ranks as just slightly above average and similar athleticism (though it's better than people thing), his margin for error is very slim.

I think he can be a winning QB in this league, but he won't be an elite one. I see a ton of Andy Dalton in him, to be honest.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:04 AM   #18
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I'm just going to think out loud on my comparisons here:

Geno -- Aaron Rodgers. Can move if he needs to, doesn't look to. Not the polished passer that Rodgers was coming out of school, but very close. And Rodgers sat for a bit before he was this Rodgers. Yes, I think Smith can be this good.

Bray -- Stafford.
Barkley -- Schaub
Murray -- Dalton

Wilson -- Locker

Thomas -- An extremely raw Big Ben. Maybe some combo of Ben and Newton. Clearly has some speed that Ben doesn't have but is an even less polished passer than Newton. Freeman perhaps? Yeah, that seems fair - Josh Freeman with Big Ben upside. Ultimately I'll probably have him moved ahead of Wilson by next week, he's just so damn raw.

Manuel -- Newton. It's lazy, it's predictable, but it's what I see. Unfortunately the 2nd best comp I can come up with is Vick. He's really something of a hybrid of the two - not as good a thrower as Newton, not as explosive an athlete as Vick. Really, he's probably closer to Vick than he is to Newton.

Glennon -- Probably nothing, but Joe Flacco is his upside in my world.

Jones -- Kyle Boller
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Old 10-05-2012, 06:50 AM   #19
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I hate player comparisons. Bray isn't a high character individual and has shitty judgement and that is too important at the qb position. I will revise my rankings later this week.
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:20 AM   #20
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I'm just going to think out loud on my comparisons here:

Geno -- Aaron Rodgers. Can move if he needs to, doesn't look to. Not the polished passer that Rodgers was coming out of school, but very close. And Rodgers sat for a bit before he was this Rodgers. Yes, I think Smith can be this good.

Bray -- Stafford.
Barkley -- Schaub
Murray -- Dalton

Wilson -- Locker

Thomas -- An extremely raw Big Ben. Maybe some combo of Ben and Newton. Clearly has some speed that Ben doesn't have but is an even less polished passer than Newton. Freeman perhaps? Yeah, that seems fair - Josh Freeman with Big Ben upside. Ultimately I'll probably have him moved ahead of Wilson by next week, he's just so damn raw.

Manuel -- Newton. It's lazy, it's predictable, but it's what I see. Unfortunately the 2nd best comp I can come up with is Vick. He's really something of a hybrid of the two - not as good a thrower as Newton, not as explosive an athlete as Vick. Really, he's probably closer to Vick than he is to Newton.

Glennon -- Probably nothing, but Joe Flacco is his upside in my world.

Jones -- Kyle Boller
i made the same geno-rodgers comparison in sac's thread...i mean, it's crazy of course as rodgers is awesome...but Smith is well rounded in the same way

as for Bray, I see Cutler...the promise and the dick faced douche-lord
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Old 10-05-2012, 02:12 PM   #21
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Yeah...Cutler's probably an extremely fair comparison for Bray.

I keep hoping that the reports on his douchelordness are inaccurate, but more and more of them keep surfacing. He really might be a dick-chugger.

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If Bray's not legit, this QB class starts to turn to crap in a hurry. It might just be wishful thinking on my part because I know we're not going to do what it takes for Geno and I don't love everyone else's favorite in Wilson.

And it took Barkley every ounce of strength he had for that 60 yard deep ball that he still badly underthrew despite a clean pocket. Barkley's not Cassel, but the more I see of him, the more I see an extremely limited passer.
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Old 10-05-2012, 05:43 PM   #22
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Yeah...Cutler's probably an extremely fair comparison for Bray.

I keep hoping that the reports on his douchelordness are inaccurate, but more and more of them keep surfacing. He really might be a dick-chugger.

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If Bray's not legit, this QB class starts to turn to crap in a hurry. It might just be wishful thinking on my part because I know we're not going to do what it takes for Geno and I don't love everyone else's favorite in Wilson.

And it took Barkley every ounce of strength he had for that 60 yard deep ball that he still badly underthrew despite a clean pocket. Barkley's not Cassel, but the more I see of him, the more I see an extremely limited passer.
I would be okay if we took a chance on Barkley. I think he is overhyped by talking heads, though. He throws accurately in the short and mid routes. You don't need to throw 60 yards to stretch the field either. I don't think I would trade up to acquire Barkley or Wilson. Geno is my QB-crush this year like RGIII was last year and Luck was the year before when it was assumed he would enter the draft.
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Barkley is looking like matt ryan...maybe even a slightly lesser version

you can win with that, but you need to know what you're getting and be ready to scheme accordingly, and probably wait on a longer development curve

Ryan this year looks like something has clicked

Smith is far and away the best package, imo and you trade up to get him

but if we **** that up (and you know we w...), then you look at barkley, bray, and maybe X and then it is crucial that your coach/GM know one he can build around

Bray's arm is just a tick less than Stafford's...that is always tempting
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Who cares about Bray's arm if he vandalizes his neighbors car when he gets drunk? Seriously, character and leadership is critical at the QB position.
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Who cares about Bray's arm if he vandalizes his neighbors car when he gets drunk? Seriously, character and leadership is critical at the QB position.
Big Ben rapes chicks. Vick kills dogs. It's what studly college QB's do...
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I know you have to be mindful of character, but it would be tough to really gauge a kid for getting drunk and doing stupid shit in college.


I mean, I know none of you angels did anything like that.
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I know he had a bad game tonight against Bama, which, who doesn't, but Bray is really intriguing to me.

I'm not sure but that he doesn't have the highest upside of any QB this year. He has Stafford type arm strength, big tall wr, pretty good footwork and has worked on his accuracy.
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Not sold on any of the prospects yet, but we have to take a chance on one.
I couldn't agree more. I do not think any QB drafted in 2013 will end up being "The Franchise" which we all know is what the Chiefs need. I do like Murray though.
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Murray and Barkley fell hard today in my books. Landry Jones is not worth mentioning in my top ten.
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