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Old 10-16-2012, 07:41 PM  
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Whos the other top three team going to be with Kansas and Iowa State?
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:38 PM   #34
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It was an awesome documentary. Unrelenting will, loyalty, and genrerosity.
Watched it. Wondered what I just watched. Thought about it for a while.

So really, the filmmaker did absolutely nothing. It took him begging Mark Allen (Phog's grandson) to talk to Booth. Allen was reluctant until his wife helped convince him. Then he (Allen) flew down to Austin and met with Booth, who was still unconvinced. Then Mark Allen called Bill Self as a last resort, who in turn called Booth and asked him to buy it. After a call from Self, Booth goes from saying $1 mil max to spending $4.3 mil on it.

So really, this idiot 1% fan (the type that cries after losses and annoys you by telling you that they know everything about KU hoops), who most psychologists would consider a bit overboard in their support for the team, did nothing other than take credit for buying the rules in which he really had no part of. Plus he looked like a little child hiding behind that Naismith picture while Booth was doing the bidding.

Seriously, nobody pissed in my cereal this morning or anything like that. This 30 for 30 was by far the worst of them all, and could only appeal to KU fans. I imagine that 99% of non-KU fans turned this off 5 minutes into it. Again, this guy did absolutely nothing other than take credit for something he really had nothing to do with. All he did was sabotage two of our biggest boosters and the edit job made them look like they were clueless.

Count me among the few who found the documentary to be average at best.
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Whos the other top three team going to be with Kansas and Iowa State?
Baylor and OSU will both be really strong this year
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Watched it. Wondered what I just watched. Thought about it for a while.

So really, the filmmaker did absolutely nothing. It took him begging Mark Allen (Phog's grandson) to talk to Booth. Allen was reluctant until his wife helped convince him. Then he (Allen) flew down to Austin and met with Booth, who was still unconvinced. Then Mark Allen called Bill Self as a last resort, who in turn called Booth and asked him to buy it. After a call from Self, Booth goes from saying $1 mil max to spending $4.3 mil on it.

So really, this idiot 1% fan (the type that cries after losses and annoys you by telling you that they know everything about KU hoops), who most psychologists would consider a bit overboard in their support for the team, did nothing other than take credit for buying the rules in which he really had no part of. Plus he looked like a little child hiding behind that Naismith picture while Booth was doing the bidding.

Seriously, nobody pissed in my cereal this morning or anything like that. This 30 for 30 was by far the worst of them all, and could only appeal to KU fans. I imagine that 99% of non-KU fans turned this off 5 minutes into it. Again, this guy did absolutely nothing other than take credit for something he really had nothing to do with. All he did was sabotage two of our biggest boosters and the edit job made them look like they were clueless.

Count me among the few who found the documentary to be average at best.
The 9.79* documentary about Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis was fantastic last week (don't know if you saw that one), so it's disappointing to hear that about the KU one. I'll probably still watch it at some point, though.
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:11 PM   #38
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The 9.79* documentary about Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis was fantastic last week (don't know if you saw that one), so it's disappointing to hear that about the KU one. I'll probably still watch it at some point, though.
Don't get me wrong, as a KU fan, it's fine to watch. But outside the scope of that, it falls well short of the standard that 30 for 30 has set.

It's really about a superfan with a camera blindsiding donors from thinking they are discussing KU hoops to asking them for millions of dollars. I don't buy it for one minute that Booth wouldn't have found out about the rules being put up for auction. Lovers of the film will argue that superfan got Booth on board. It's simply not true and superfan's own documentary proves it. Booth wanted nothing to do with it until Mark Allen had Bill Self call him.

The only thing I will give superfan credit for is that he somehow forced his way into Dr. Mark Allen's home at 11pm and convinced him to fly to Austin to talk to Booth. But Allen's wife had a hand in that convincing as well, plus I believe he felt it was a duty to his grandfather (Phog) to make this happen.

Ultimately, it all falls on Bill Self being who he is.
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Don't get me wrong, as a KU fan, it's fine to watch. But outside the scope of that, it falls well short of the standard that 30 for 30 has set.

It's really about a superfan with a camera blindsiding donors from thinking they are discussing KU hoops to asking them for millions of dollars. I don't buy it for one minute that Booth wouldn't have found out about the rules being put up for auction. Lovers of the film will argue that superfan got Booth on board. It's simply not true and superfan's own documentary proves it. Booth wanted nothing to do with it until Mark Allen had Bill Self call him.

The only thing I will give superfan credit for is that he somehow forced his way into Dr. Mark Allen's home at 11pm and convinced him to fly to Austin to talk to Booth. But Allen's wife had a hand in that convincing as well, plus I believe he felt it was a duty to his grandfather (Phog) to make this happen.

Ultimately, it all falls on Bill Self being who he is.
In the guys defense, he never intended for this to be a 30 for 30 documentary. The guy works at a production company and used the "documentary" excuse to get away from work and try to influence people to buy the rules and return them home. I think most of us KU fans can agree that this dude was over the top, and the way he presented himself in some of those situations was less than professional, but at the end of the day he did put forth a lot of effort to get this done. Could the rules have made it into Booth's hands without Josh? Probably. I don't think Josh is taking credit single handedly here. He was a passionate fan who sought after the guys that could make this happen, put some pieces together, went through some ups and downs, and actually put 100% into something he cared about... all while documenting the entire thing.

Only after he put the film together did ESPN come along and use his story for a documentary in the 30for30 series. As far as that's concerned, there has been no other college featured in a way that KU was featured last night, and that's something KU fans CAN be proud of, and SHOULD be proud of. Whether the guy was a goober or not is irrelevant. His efforts put Kansas and this story in the national spotlight for everyone around the country to see. If you're even half of a college basketball fan you can appreciate the story behind what Sotheby's described as "the most important piece of sports memoriabilia in existence". That's something to be pretty damn proud of as a Kansas fan.

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Only after he put the film together did ESPN come along and use his story for a documentary in the 30for30 series. As far as that's concerned, there has been no other college featured in a way that KU was featured last night, and that's something KU fans CAN be proud of, and SHOULD be proud of. Whether the guy was a goober or not is irrelevant. His efforts put Kansas and this story in the national spotlight for everyone around the country to see. If you're even half of a college basketball fan you can appreciate the story behind what Sotheby's described as "the most important piece of sports memoriabilia in existence". That's something to be pretty damn proud of as a Kansas fan.

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I'm not arguing whether it was good for KU or not. As you said, it was a great thing for KU. And a great thing for Booth to do for his alma mater.

I just felt like Josh tried to paint himself as the one who got the rules to KU. Sure, he filmed it. And he came with the annoying plan to blindside our best and biggest boosters with a request for millions of dollars. I just feel that since his whole purpose was to be the lead dog on getting the rules to KU, in the end, he really didn't do anything at all other than film it.

Oh well. I'm just not gushing over it like I've seen many do on Facebook and Twitter.

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I'm not arguing whether it was good for KU or not. As you said, it was a great thing for KU. And a great thing for Booth to do for his alma mater.

I just felt like Josh tried to paint himself as the one who got the rules to KU. Sure, he filmed it. And he came with the annoying plan to blindside our best and biggest boosters with a request for millions of dollars. I just feel that since his whole purpose was to be the lead dog on getting the rules to KU, in the end, he really didn't do anything at all other than film it.

Oh well. I'm just not gushing over it like I've seen many do on Facebook and Twitter.

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I agree some things could have been better, but I don't know how you get in front of those boosters WITHOUT blindsiding them. Had he come out and said, "I'm coming in to ask for money to get the rules of bball back to Kansas," he would have been hung up on before he finished the sentence. He didn't necessarily lie to them, as he was filming a documentary.

As for showing up to places unannounced, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Persistence can be a powerful thing, and in this case it was. I don't think Dr. Allen was upset, and his wifes enthusiasm about keeping the rules out of the dookies hands was proof that there was passion among the Allens as well.

Personally I thought the guy sucked as a salesman. He had a bunch of long awkward pauses when he was making his pitches, and really had nothing to say to the first few boosters that basically told him no. He assumed coming there and breaking some news to these guys was going to singlehandedly sway their decisions.

I gotta hand it to him though, to get the meetings he did in the 20 days that he had, was pretty impressive. Between the big donors, national media, past coaches, the Allen family, past players, etc., he really had to have been busy.

You can definitely tell this was an amateur hour documentary, and Josh is definitely one of the annoying fans of a fanbase, but he "made it happen". Can't fault him there.
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Booth wanted nothing to do with it until Mark Allen had Bill Self call him.
It actually proves just the opposite. As soon as Josh mentioned it, Booth immediately said he was in for a million dollars on them. It was only after the university said that it was a bad investment did he back off. Josh's persistence paid off by getting Self and Allen to talk to him. Neither of those things happen without Swade.

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The only thing I will give superfan credit for is that he somehow forced his way into Dr. Mark Allen's home at 11pm and convinced him to fly to Austin to talk to Booth. But Allen's wife had a hand in that convincing as well, plus I believe he felt it was a duty to his grandfather (Phog) to make this happen.

Ultimately, it all falls on Bill Self being who he is.
He didn't force his way in at all. Allen's wife heard about the plight through the radio/media and invited him to come out. Did you even watch the thing? It seems like you didn't.

It's true that it ultimately doesn't happen without Self and Allen, but without Swade, none of it happens at all.

Also, Ron Howard tweeted that it was a great documentary, so not everyone hated it.
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It actually proves just the opposite. As soon as Josh mentioned it, Booth immediately said he was in for a million dollars on them. It was only after the university said that it was a bad investment did he back off. Josh's persistence paid off by getting Self and Allen to talk to him. Neither of those things happen without Swade.
Yes, and once KU told him to think twice about it, he did, and had his assistant tell Josh he was out. Then Mark Allen and Bill Self talked him back into it. Side note - I thought this made KU bad just a little bit.


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Yes, I did happen to watch it. Which is why I formed an opinion on it. And actually, if you watched it, you would surely remember the scene where Josh claims he showed up to Dr. Allen's house uninvited for a second time at 11pm. So yes, he did essentially force his way in where he begged Dr. Allen to do something more. And because I happened to watch the documentary, I also noticed that Dr Allen's wife helped motivate him to do more, as well as Dr Allen addressing that he wanted to help do it for his grandfather.

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This is where I have my doubts. Superfan Josh certainly went out of his way to try to get people to do it. But it ultimately fell on Dr. Allen feeling compelled to take time out of his life to fly down to Austin, meet with Booth, and then call Coach Self.

I won't disagree with you that he brought this to their attention. But that is pretty much all he did.

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Nowhere did I say that anyone hated it. I didn't even claim that I hated it. I just didn't find it to be all that great. I believe I even claimed I was likely in the minority that didn't think it was the best thing I've ever watched, like most KU fans on Twitter and Facebook were doing last night around 8:15
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Yes, and once KU told him to think twice about it, he did, and had his assistant tell Josh he was out. Then Mark Allen and Bill Self talked him back into it. Side note - I thought this made KU bad just a little bit.
But that doesn't mean he wasn't interested. He absolutely was. Agree about KU coming off looking badly a bit, but as Zenger mentioned, there was no AD at that time. The whole department was clueless.

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Yes, I did happen to watch it. Which is why I formed an opinion on it. And actually, if you watched it, you would surely remember the scene where Josh claims he showed up to Dr. Allen's house uninvited for a second time at 11pm. So yes, he did essentially force his way in where he begged Dr. Allen to do something more. And because I happened to watch the documentary, I also noticed that Dr Allen's wife helped motivate him to do more, as well as Dr Allen addressing that he wanted to help do it for his grandfather.
It's hard to force your way into a place where you are welcome, which he absolutely was at the Allen's house. You can tell by how Dr. Allen and his wife treat Josh. They say "Anything you need."

There is no doubt that Allen's wife was instrumental. They all were.

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This is where I have my doubts. Superfan Josh certainly went out of his way to try to get people to do it. But it ultimately fell on Dr. Allen feeling compelled to take time out of his life to fly down to Austin, meet with Booth, and then call Coach Self.

I won't disagree with you that he brought this to their attention. But that is pretty much all he did.
It isn't all he did. He kept at it after Booth gave up. Booth wasn't going to make it happen at that point. He brought everyone together. None of it would have happened without him. No one else was taking the lead. No, he didn't buy the rules himself. No, he didn't ultimately convert Booth. But he did convince Allen. He helped get Self, Roy, and Brown's feelings on the subject known to Booth.

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Nowhere did I say that anyone hated it. I didn't even claim that I hated it. I just didn't find it to be all that great. I believe I even claimed I was likely in the minority that didn't think it was the best thing I've ever watched, like most KU fans on Twitter and Facebook were doing last night around 8:15
I just don't understand your disdain for Josh. It's abundantly clear that KU doesn't get the rules if he doesn't do what he did. And no, it's not the best thing ever, but it wasn't ever intended to be a documentary. Swade was just using the filming as an excuse to fly all over the country to get this done. It was only afterward that all the footage was edited into a documentary.
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A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
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