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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:25 PM   #121
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I learned enough in ccw class to know that if you are carrying legally, you never confront someone, you are held to a higher standard since you know you have a weapon on you. This guy ****ed up and should do time, regardless of what happened after the initial confrontation. Call the police and let them do their job, hell, follow the kid in your car if you're that sure he's up to no good. How is it self defense when you were the initiator of the confrontation?
Because its not illegal to stop and question someone but it is illegal to try to kick the ass of the person who is questioning your presence there.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:26 PM   #122
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Because its not illegal to stop and question someone but it is illegal to try to kick the ass of the person who is questioning your presence there.
How is it not illegal for a regular citizen guy to detain and question another regular citizen guy?

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:27 PM   #123
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:27 PM   #124
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Because its not illegal to stop and question someone but it is illegal to try to kick the ass of the person who is questioning your presence there.
The point is once you have a concealed weapon on you the normal rules go out the window. You are held to a higher standard. Common sense has to prevail and you have to walk away. You can absolutely stop and ask someone what they are doing, but think about what the jury is going to think of the fact that you initiated the conflict.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:29 PM   #125
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:30 PM   #126
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"Hey man. Are you from around here? I don't believe I've met you before."
Fair enough, Mr. BigCatDaddy ... I don't see anything in that approach that would logically lead to a death match, though.

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:30 PM   #127
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you don't need a gun. if you need something, just call the police.




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Anyway. I own four and I dare anyone to come in my house to try and set up shop. They might kill me with my own gun, but they'll have to beat me with it because it'll be empty.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:31 PM   #128
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Anyway. I own four and I dare anyone to come in my house to try and set up shop. They might kill me with my own gun, but they'll have to beat with it because it'll be empty.
my squiggly ~ was meant for sarcasm.



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Old 03-08-2012, 03:32 PM   #129
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Fair enough, Mr. BigCatDaddy ... I don't see anything in that approach that would logically lead to a death match, though.

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Possibly not, just offering up the possiblity since we don't know what words were exchanged and when it got heated.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:33 PM   #130
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It's amazing to me that anyone would defend a citizen gunning down an unarmed minor inside a residential area.

For those of you who say "I'm sure he reacted calmly"... You're a ****ing retard. Citizens cannot simply go around pointing guns at other people they're suspicious of. We have laws. If this shit was kosher I'd have already killed a few hundred people. This guy is a murderer.

Apparently when gunning down a black kid in a white neighborhood "He came at me with a bag of skittles" is a legit defense.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:34 PM   #131
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Or maybe zombie Hitler appeared and beat up the white dude and shot the boy, then brain washed the white dude to frame him, cause even though Hitler hates blacks, that's what they would expect, so he had to mix it up.
if you shot someone and you were gonna spend time in jail for it or get the death penalty would you make look different or take your punishment like a man?
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:35 PM   #132
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if you shot someone and you were gonna spend time in jail for it or get the death penalty would you make look different or take your punishment like a man?
I would accept the punishment for my actions. But that's a completely irrelevant hypothetical situation that applies about as much as my Hitler theory.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:36 PM   #133
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Anyway. I own four and I dare anyone to come in my house to try and set up shop. They might kill me with my own gun, but they'll have to beat me with it because it'll be empty.
You sound really tough.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:36 PM   #134
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Gated community. I am sure there are several in Nashville, wait until it gets late tonight and go walking around in a few of them and see how long it takes for someone to ask if they can help you out.

I am in no way condoning how the guy handled the situation, I do however think people are off base on this whole murder concept.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:37 PM   #135
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That still doesnt tell the story, point is he should have never appraoched the kid becasue he had no right. The police are hired and trained to handle situations like this. Now when the man shot him and realize he made a mistake you dont think he went into damage control and busted his own nose and rolled around in the grass or maybe he had the gun drawn and the kid panic and went into fight mold thinking this guy was a murderer? If a guy approaches me with a gun and I dont know he is a cop it will be a fight to the death.
The details of what actually led up to this can't be determined from either story. My take is that the guy approached the kid (who was only visiting the neighborhood and NOT a resident), asked him where he was headed, and the kid gave him attitude, and it went downhill from there. Either could have walked away - a polite response would have certainly been an end to the situation. Don't know - wasn't there.

My biggest problem with this is the Yahoo story itself - which is pure yellow journalism specifically intended to incite idiots like Bump and Wickedson into indignant fits of liberal outrage.
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