who is this years Mecca miss like Clady and Orakpo...

[MGRS13]

Orakpo making immediate impact

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 20, 2009 1:14 PM ET
We've criticized the Redskins front office more than a few times on PFT, so it's only fair to give them credit when they get something right.

Drafting Brian Orakpo thirteenth overall was very right.

The rookie linebacker/defensive end has seven sacks in his last seven games. That number alone is the most for any rookie since 2006, and it's amazing because he only plays with his hand down as a pass rusher one-third of the time, according to Rick Maese of the Washington Post.

Orakpo has successfully transitioned from a college defensive end to a strong-side linebacker on most downs. He is often responsible for covering the opposing tight end. This week, he takes on Jason Witten and tries to build his defensive rookie of the year candidacy. (There are a few good options.)

Some people close to Orakpo interviewed for Maese's article believe the former Longhorn would be even more successful as a full-time pass rusher. But that's a good problem for the Redskins to have. In a mostly lost year for Washington, at least the team has found a core young player on a squad needing a few more.

Washington's next coach should appreciate the help..................

Mecca was dead set the last two years that these guys were the two biggest future busts. So who is the guy this year that Mecca will say we shouldn't even talk about because he doesn't belong in the nfl.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Who were the players and what have they done up until now?

I don't remember it. jidar needs to link it up.

[OnTheWarpath58]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I don't remember it. jidar needs to link it up.

I don't either.

I'd be curious to see that post.

[Brock]

You can find stupidity from any poster if you want to waste time looking for it. mecca's draft takes are probably as good as anybody else's, it's all just a guess for the most part, and he's actually pretty good at slotting players that most of us have never even heard of. If you want to call mecca out for something dumb, look up where he says Jared Allen is an equivalent player to Aaron Schobel. Now THAT is dumbassery.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I would grade it differently, yeah. I'm still as high on it as I was then.

I'd still say "ask me after the 2010 season".

Albert in particular is hard to grade. He had a great rookie year, slumped in his second, who knows what he'll be long term. Flowers looks like a stud. Dorsey has been solid but unspectacular, but both years has shown flashes of potential. He's hurt the most (statistically speaking) by the scheme change, obviously, but could be one of the building blocks of a really good line, if things go a certain way.

There's still the possibility that all three may be cornerstone players for years.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'd still say "ask me after the 2010 season".

Albert in particular is hard to grade. He had a great rookie year, slumped in his second, who knows what he'll be long term. Flowers looks like a stud. Dorsey has been solid but unspectacular, but both years has shown flashes of potential. He's hurt the most (statistically speaking) by the scheme change, obviously, but could be one of the building blocks of a really good line, if things go a certain way.

There's still the possibility that all three may be cornerstone players for years.

I feel that the only thing holding Dorsey and Albert back is coaching.

[OnTheWarpath58]

Look, two years ago Mecca listed exactly 3 top 10 projected picks in one post who he said were surefire busts and that he would be angry if we took any of them.

This reminds me of a comment from Patriot Reign.

Belichick always made a point of telling his scouts that he wouldn't get upset with them if a prospect they didn't care for went on to do great things elsewhere - because it doesn't matter.

That player might have been perfect for the Colts system, but not as attractive in the Patriots system.

Like I said, I'd be curious to see the post in question, because they may not have been fits in our system at the time.

If Clady was one of the players you are referring to, I'd agree with Mecca. He doesn't fit a power, downhill running attack. He does, however, perfectly fit a team that runs a zone blocking scheme, as Denver does.

[OnTheWarpath58]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I feel that the only thing holding Dorsey and Albert back is coaching.

I agree with this, 100%

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I feel that the only thing holding Dorsey and Albert back is coaching.

I still think there's something to the idea that Albert has struggled in large part because of of the weight loss. And I don't mean the weight loss was necessarily bad when I say that; he can't just get by throwing his weight around now. He'll be better off long-term from learning and honing technique.

I think Dorsey's had two solid years, so I don't think there's a problem with him in particular as far as coaching goes. I think a better NT and a better group of LBs behind him makes a world of difference. LB in particular - there just isn't much there and it hurts the whole unit front to back.

In fact, I think that goes for both: I think talent is the biggest issue. There's no talent outside of Albert on the o-line (waters is a shadow of his former self), the play at receiver has been inconsistent at best and the tight ends haven't done anything for the team catching or blocking. And I'm not sure LJ didn't make the line look even worse than it already was.

Which is not saying that coaching may not be an issue...

[OnTheWarpath58]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I still think there's something to the idea that Albert has struggled in large part because of of the weight loss. And I don't mean the weight loss was necessarily bad when I say that; he can't just get by throwing his weight around now. He'll be better off long-term from learning and honing technique.

I think Dorsey's had two solid years, so I don't think there's a problem with him in particular as far as coaching goes. I think a better NT and a better group of LBs behind him makes a world of difference. LB in particular - there just isn't much there and it hurts the whole unit front to back.

Good point on Albert's weight loss, I am definitely on board with that assessment as well.

[highBOLTage]

Originally Posted by Brock

A lot of people had those opinions about Clady and/or Orakpo.

If anything call him out for liking Troy Will....err.. DHB, and wanting him over Crabtree.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=205313

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

From a former Baltimore Ravens scout.


https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/5862270619

From the same scout.

https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/5861704786


https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/5861888626


https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/5861797604

It is funny those were not the views right after the draft by most experts/scouts.. Now all of a sudden, his teams viewed Dorsey as a tweener..

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by highBOLTage

If anything call him out for liking Troy Will....err.. DHB, and wanting him over Crabtree.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=205313

I understand the argument for DHB over Crabtree and even agreed with it. Spread recievers are overrated to me for their lack of experience running anything close to an NFL route tree. And unlike Maclin, Crabtree doesn't have elite speed to make up for it.

Mecca thought that DHB was a reach at 8 though.

[PunkinDrublic]

You have to take Mecca with a grain of salt. With Mecca you know you're going to get a guy who's overly pessimistic of any KC sports team and a guy whos likely filled out more more draft boards than he's had haircuts. If you can keep that in mind you can enjoy what he has to say.

[Kyle DeLexus]

Originally Posted by highBOLTage

If anything call him out for liking Troy Will....err.. DHB, and wanting him over Crabtree.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=205313

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I understand the argument for DHB over Crabtree and even agreed with it. Spread recievers are overrated to me for their lack of experience running anything close to an NFL route tree. And unlike Maclin, Crabtree doesn't have elite speed to make up for it.

Mecca thought that DHB was a reach at 8 though.

Yeah to call him out on that is BS. DHB was a raw prospect who should never have went top 15. People are going to be expecting more than they should from him for a few years. Then the fact that he went to Oakland makes it look even worse for him. That's like the anti-Clady it's just a wrong fit where he's going to a team where he won't be able to develope properly.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

You have to take Mecca with a grain of salt. With Mecca you know you're going to get a guy who's overly pessimistic of any KC sports team and a guy whos likely filled out more more draft boards than he's had haircuts. If you can keep that in mind you can enjoy what he has to say.

I would agree with that, and he actually has a pretty even temperment. Heck, on draft day, I have PMed him and some others on here, to get their opinion on players.

I have many hobbies, keeping track of College players is not one of them.
And, for the most part, don't even enjoy watching College Football. But some on here do, and their opinions make it interesting.

Nobody is going to be correct all the time, but deferring to the people who are knowledgeable, just makes good sense, no matter what the subject.