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Al Gore brings climate change message to Kansas City

Al Gore has been known for his climate change warnings since the 2006 film “An Inconvenient Truth.”

But the former vice president, speaking Saturday in Kansas City, cited many more recent examples how heavy use of fossil fuels is contributing to extreme weather events and trends, in his view.

Gore filled a Westin Crown Center ballroom with a 90-minute presentation, using photos and videos to illustrate a litany of floods, wildfires, torrential rains, droughts, dust storms, rising sea levels and increasing world temperatures.

To those attending the Folk Alliance International conference, he noted examples of flooding in locations both remote and closer to home, such as in Manitou Springs, Colo., where high water barreled down mountain highways last year, carrying cars along with it.

“They had never seen anything like this in Manitou Springs,” Gore said.

He cited the possibility of how flooding in Pakistan could destabilize that country, a nuclear power, and the possible effect that continuing drought in California might have on the world’s food supply.

“Think about that,” he said. “The Dust Bowl is coming back, quickly, unless we act.”

Gore presented animation from his 2006 film depicting water pushing into the streets of lower Manhattan — much mocked at the time, Gore said — followed by images of water filling New York City subway tunnels during Hurricane Sandy in October 2012.

Gore conceded the possible fatigue some may have with his warnings, as well as the possible sense of powerlessness as to what any one individual can do to affect what appear to be vast, unchangeable trends.

“Do we really have to do this and — if the answer is yes — can we do it?” Gore said, repeating two questions he routinely hears.

“The answer to both of those questions — spoiler alert — is ‘yes.’ ”

Gore cited what he considered the increasing momentum with which renewable energy technologies such as wind and solar power have been embraced.

Just as one telephone company study 25 years ago underestimated the huge increase in the use of cellphones, estimates on the acceptance of wind and solar technology also have been conservative, Gore said.

Among the countries or states turning to renewable energy strategies, Gore mentioned the Vatican’s increasing use of solar technology. Vatican City, Gore said, wants to be the first CO2-neutral sovereign city-state in the world.

“They have two advantages,” Gore said. “It is very small, and they have God on their side.”

He urged his listeners to act on an individual basis.

“The one missing ingredient may well be you, no kidding,” he said.

And, given how he was addressing a room filled with folk music admirers, Gore framed his remarks with references to two singers: Bob Dylan and the late Pete Seeger. Reciting a phrase from “The Times They Are a-Changin’ ” and later invoking Seeger’s memory, Gore urged those in attendance to write songs and spread a renewable energy message “all over this land.”

Folk music, he added, “played a positive role in resolving the central question in civil rights, as to what was truly right and truly wrong.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/22...#storylink=cpy
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:59 PM   #166
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Out of curiosity, how do you label yourself? A "believer"?
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:03 PM   #167
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Because you don't understand Newtonian thought. If you do not have a conceptual system to correctly utilize Newtonian thought then the words may be the same but not the representation of nature. Equilibrium is not assured or even expected by Newtonian thought. It isn't easy. I can get it wrong if not diligent.
Forgive me, but it seems that your boner for Newton isn't necessarily relevant.

We have wind because of a delta in pressure, right? What does that have to do with Newtonian physics?
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:05 PM   #168
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I'd preface those with "Emotional" based on your earlier post in response to me, to be perfectly honest.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:06 PM   #169
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I agree, that it is worth more investment. However, I know that the challenges in materials to make fusion viable are nearly as daunting as the nuclear physics.

I think photovoltaics are worth subsidizing now, due to the learning curve effect, known as Swanson's law in photovoltaics and Moore's law in computing. The more you install, the cheaper it becomes.

Here is my proposal (I call it the Best Energy Plan, BEP for short): economists have determined estimates of the cost of adding carbon to the atmosphere, assuming the projections of the IPCC are accurate. Take this value, and make it a tax credit for any end user that adopts renewable energy. Allow various types of renewable energy so we are not picking winners and losers, but also require a certain amount of diversity of eligible energy forms to avoid putting all of our eggs in one energy basket that might have unintended consequences. Allow this incentive to apply to a certain percentage of the energy demand: perhaps increase the use of renewables by 1% of the total energy market per year. This increase is enough to make a market impact, but much smaller than the price volatility already present in energy markets: it won't significantly drag the economy. Dial back the incentives as the cost gap between renewables and conventional energy decreases. After a few years, you could probably let the market control the tax credit incentive based on a fixed target renewable energy fraction. The BEP needs to be a global initiative to have any benefit.
I have no problem with that plan. It would be worthwhile simply for the advances in engineering you'll see from it. I also like anything that leads to a more diversified and distributed grid. If you want to sell it to the traditional "right" you can also point out that it reduces our susceptibility to terror threats and is important for national security.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:08 PM   #170
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Forgive me, but it seems that your boner for Newton isn't necessarily relevant.

We have wind because of a delta in pressure, right? What does that have to do with Newtonian physics?
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I'd preface those with "Emotional" based on your earlier post in response to me, to be perfectly honest.
Given that deniers continually bring up this old chestnut of "it used to be global warming and now they have changed it to climate change", and have not responded to milder explanations, I thought I would take a crack at putting into practice the advice of Howard Kurtz and "criticize, dispute, denounce and otherwise go at (you)."
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I thought I was talking to Newton.
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Give that deniers continually bring up this old chestnut, and have not responded to milder explanations, I thought I would take a crack at putting into practice the advice of Howard Kurtz and "criticize, dispute, denounce and otherwise go at (you)."
No worries. I'm not easily offended.
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I have no problem with that plan. It would be worthwhile simply for the advances in engineering you'll see from it. I also like anything that leads to a more diversified and distributed grid. If you want to sell it to the traditional "right" you can also point out that it reduces our susceptibility to terror threats and is important for national security.
DOE's bioenergy development program for transportation fuels was justified using a 3 corner argument:

1) energy prices (record high at the time)
2) climate change
2) energy independence and energy security given the geopolitical instabilities of oil-rich countries.
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Do you dispute that wind exists because of a delta in pressure?
Newton answers the question of what is pressure. Will you please give the derivation of how Newton delivers what pressure is from atomic understanding and explain then what delta represents then.

This is a first course in Physical Chemistry subject. It doesn't stem from equilibrium as the beginning idea. And when you add in the Quantum Mechanics (not Newtonian by the way) of the interaction that infrared light is directly tied to increase motion then you will be on your way to answering your question more completely.
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