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Old 02-23-2014, 05:19 PM  
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Al Gore brings climate change message to Kansas City

Al Gore has been known for his climate change warnings since the 2006 film “An Inconvenient Truth.”

But the former vice president, speaking Saturday in Kansas City, cited many more recent examples how heavy use of fossil fuels is contributing to extreme weather events and trends, in his view.

Gore filled a Westin Crown Center ballroom with a 90-minute presentation, using photos and videos to illustrate a litany of floods, wildfires, torrential rains, droughts, dust storms, rising sea levels and increasing world temperatures.

To those attending the Folk Alliance International conference, he noted examples of flooding in locations both remote and closer to home, such as in Manitou Springs, Colo., where high water barreled down mountain highways last year, carrying cars along with it.

“They had never seen anything like this in Manitou Springs,” Gore said.

He cited the possibility of how flooding in Pakistan could destabilize that country, a nuclear power, and the possible effect that continuing drought in California might have on the world’s food supply.

“Think about that,” he said. “The Dust Bowl is coming back, quickly, unless we act.”

Gore presented animation from his 2006 film depicting water pushing into the streets of lower Manhattan — much mocked at the time, Gore said — followed by images of water filling New York City subway tunnels during Hurricane Sandy in October 2012.

Gore conceded the possible fatigue some may have with his warnings, as well as the possible sense of powerlessness as to what any one individual can do to affect what appear to be vast, unchangeable trends.

“Do we really have to do this and — if the answer is yes — can we do it?” Gore said, repeating two questions he routinely hears.

“The answer to both of those questions — spoiler alert — is ‘yes.’ ”

Gore cited what he considered the increasing momentum with which renewable energy technologies such as wind and solar power have been embraced.

Just as one telephone company study 25 years ago underestimated the huge increase in the use of cellphones, estimates on the acceptance of wind and solar technology also have been conservative, Gore said.

Among the countries or states turning to renewable energy strategies, Gore mentioned the Vatican’s increasing use of solar technology. Vatican City, Gore said, wants to be the first CO2-neutral sovereign city-state in the world.

“They have two advantages,” Gore said. “It is very small, and they have God on their side.”

He urged his listeners to act on an individual basis.

“The one missing ingredient may well be you, no kidding,” he said.

And, given how he was addressing a room filled with folk music admirers, Gore framed his remarks with references to two singers: Bob Dylan and the late Pete Seeger. Reciting a phrase from “The Times They Are a-Changin’ ” and later invoking Seeger’s memory, Gore urged those in attendance to write songs and spread a renewable energy message “all over this land.”

Folk music, he added, “played a positive role in resolving the central question in civil rights, as to what was truly right and truly wrong.”

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Old 02-24-2014, 11:16 AM   #106
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Why do you say that about Gore? Nobody thinks he's in the lab checking the data. I assume he's sincere about the issue and just saying what the experts tell him. It's an honest question--is he saying something different than the real experts?

He's not a perfect spokesman for the issue simply because he's a politician. And a D, which automatically earns the rejection of half the country who is skeptical of science in the first place.

But on the other hand, without his position, the issue may never have been talked about at all.
He's clearly not just saying what the experts are telling him. At all. Because he's making grossly incorrect statements. His history of bullshit has done more to damage the climate change initiative than just about anything else. Without Gore spewing BS, it would actually be easier to educate people that don't understand the science behind climate change.

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To those attending the Folk Alliance International conference, he noted examples of flooding in locations both remote and closer to home, such as in Manitou Springs, Colo., where high water barreled down mountain highways last year, carrying cars along with it.

“They had never seen anything like this in Manitou Springs,” Gore said.
Meaningless.

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“Think about that,” he said. “The Dust Bowl is coming back, quickly, unless we act.”
Completely wrong fear mongering BS.

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“Do we really have to do this and — if the answer is yes — can we do it?” Gore said, repeating two questions he routinely hears.

“The answer to both of those questions — spoiler alert — is ‘yes.’ ”
No, the answer is we think we might have to act eventually, but we're not yet convinced. And if we do have to act, we're not currently sure how to go about that or even if it would work.

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Gore cited what he considered the increasing momentum with which renewable energy technologies such as wind and solar power have been embraced.
Embraced by those who benefit from selling energy.

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Among the countries or states turning to renewable energy strategies, Gore mentioned the Vatican’s increasing use of solar technology. Vatican City, Gore said, wants to be the first CO2-neutral sovereign city-state in the world.

“They have two advantages,” Gore said. “It is very small, and they have God on their side.”
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:19 AM   #107
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Of course there's climate change. There's always climate change. Problem is politicians are using an unproven notion that man has contributed to it in order to control Americans. The debate is far from over, but deniers of man caused climate change are called flat earthers or they attempt to silence http://tiny.iavian.net/1zcz . Al Gore wants cap and trade. If it ever passes, he will be one of the richest if not #1 people in the world. See Chicago Carbon Exchange. Unfortunately many scientists Made the leap years ago and only the most ethical have admitted their mistakes. University based science is based on agenda as much as science. Science is bended and manipulated to fit their narrative and agenda. NASA & NOAA feed from the federal teat and will gladly say there's Climate change. There's always climate change. They don't even have to lie.
The lie comes from Gore and progressives when they mention "man caused".
They can regulate and control all aspects of our lives in the name of "the greater good".
Just study history and you don't have to go that far back to find a case where socialists rounded people up for the "greater good".
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:20 AM   #108
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Does anyone on any side of the debate believe that the constant press and push to 'admit' climate change' is solely about assuring that the government will continue to try to understand the problem?
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:48 AM   #109
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Al Gore said that the "Dust Bowl" from 80 years ago is going to return.
So who caused the dust bowl 80 years ago? No one had SUV's 80 years ago, so how were "green house gasses" the cause?
Silly progressives , facts are for adults.
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:22 PM   #110
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Forgive me, but is the second part not a prediction?
We have an idea, we can't predict specific events with accuracy. Just like we might know that an event will negatively effect the stock market, but it's hard to know exactly which stock and to what degree.
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:28 PM   #111
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We have an idea, we can't predict specific events with accuracy. Just like we might know that an event will negatively effect the stock market, but it's hard to know exactly which stock and to what degree.
You toss that word WE around as if you are the head of some board on climate change.
We (most of America) think climate change is for loons,vegans,peta & washed out hippies

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Old 02-24-2014, 04:43 PM   #112
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I agree to the extent that I don't believe that human activity doesn't influence our environment. Do I believe the tripe that Gore is spouting off in the OP? No, I don't, because he's demonstrably wrong.



That's possible, I suppose, but you'd agree that the use of "global warming" has dropped significantly over the last few years, yes? If so, what was the reason for the change?
It is do to the Republicans. You know the guy who coaches the Republicans what words to use in discussing things like death taxes instead of estate taxes. During the Bush administration, he lobbied to use Climate Change (which has always been used as well as sometimes Global Warming in science literature.) because it sounded less ominous. It is on record. That is how it was introduced into mainstream parley. And scientists saw that a step in line with what they always used in talking about the rising energy flow through the troposphere into physical connected environmental systems do to rising Greenhouse Gases mostly associated with human activity.
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:34 PM   #113
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No.

Perhaps you know, but when and why did "global warming" die?
This is question asked by an uniformed neophyte who is utterly unqualified to participate in discussions about policies needed to address this situation. You have been duped hook, line, and sinker.

I searched Web of Science (a citation database for scientific literature) for the terms:

Global Warming

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Climate Change AND carbon dioxide (I included carbon dioxide to exclude hits on articles that might be discussing climate change phenomena not related to carbon dioxide emissions.)

The search will identify occurrences of these words in either the title or the abstract of the article.

The first 10 appearances of global warming occurred during or before 1985.

The first 10 appearances of Climate Change AND carbon dioxide occurred during or before 1984.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was formed in 1988.

The term "Global Warming" is not dead. It appeared in more than 1800 scientific articles in 2013 alone.

Climate change is a broader term that includes global warming along with changes in precipitation, wind patters, and frequency of extreme events such as floods, droughts, and severe storms. Global warming is one kind of climate change. No one is backing off the claim that the planet is warming.

Feel free to cut and past this to anyone who asks this utterly stupid question in the future.
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:36 PM   #114
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It is do to the Republicans. You know the guy who coaches the Republicans what words to use in discussing things like death taxes instead of estate taxes. During the Bush administration, he lobbied to use Climate Change (which has always been used as well as sometimes Global Warming in science literature.) because it sounded less ominous. It is on record. That is how it was introduced into mainstream parley. And scientists saw that a step in line with what they always used in talking about the rising energy flow through the troposphere into physical connected environmental systems do to rising Greenhouse Gases mostly associated with human activity.
Who was that?
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This is question asked by an uniformed neophyte who is utterly unqualified to participate in discussions about policies needed to address this situation. You have been duped hook, line, and sinker.

I searched Web of Science (a citation database for scientific literature) for the terms:

Global Warming

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Climate Change AND carbon dioxide (I included carbon dioxide to exclude hits on articles that might be discussing climate change phenomena not related to carbon dioxide emissions.)

The search will identify occurrences of these words in either the title or the abstract of the article.

The first 10 appearances of global warming occurred during or before 1985.

The first 10 appearances of Climate Change AND carbon dioxide occurred during or before 1984.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was formed in 1988.

The term "Global Warming" is not dead. It appeared in more than 1800 scientific articles in 2013 alone.

Climate change is a broader term that includes global warming along with changes in precipitation, wind patters, and frequency of extreme events such as floods, droughts, and severe storms. Global warming is one kind of climate change. No one is backing off the claim that the planet is warming.

Feel free to cut and past this to anyone who asks this utterly stupid question in the future.
Well, considering that I was talking about general media and not scientific literature...
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To be honest, I believe that if/when we do propose a good method to address climate change, it will focus more on new/unique methods of energy conversion rather than just addressing the current consumption rate of energy. I see too many problems with emissions reduction being used as the main method to counter climate change. It's going to require something better.
I agree that the solution pathway out of this situation will rely heavily on better methods of energy conversion. However, this illustrates the real harm of denier mentality. The US government invested a lot of money in various forms of more efficient energy conversion. One of those was solar energy. Some of those companies were making legitimate progress (I'm not talking about Solyndra here). Basically the deniers soured the political environment for continuing subsidies for adopting solar power. Without the subsidies the US market collapsed. Billions of $ of solar technology were then sold to the Chinese for pennies on the dollar.

Other countries are still installing new solar energy. The amount of installed solar is projected to double or triple over the next 6 years. We flushed money down the toilet, gave away much of our competitive innovations, and have effectively pulled out of a future technology because politics rooted in disinformation.
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I agree that the solution pathway out of this situation will rely heavily on better methods of energy conversion. However, this illustrates the real harm of denier mentality. The US government invested a lot of money in various forms of more efficient energy conversion. One of those was solar energy. Some of those companies were making legitimate progress (I'm not talking about Solyndra here). Basically the deniers soured the political environment for continuing subsidies for adopting solar power. Without the subsidies the US market collapsed. Billions of $ of solar technology were then sold to the Chinese for pennies on the dollar.

Other countries are still installing new solar energy. The amount of installed solar is projected to double or triple over the next 6 years. We flushed money down the toilet, gave away much of our competitive innovations, and have effectively pulled out of a future technology because politics rooted in disinformation.
"Denier."



Anyway, what are you talking about above or more specifically, who?
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Well, considering that I was talking about general media and not scientific literature...
A goggle news search shows 126,000 hits on "global warming" and many independent media stories use the term within the last 24 hours. Where did you get the idea that the term global warming is dead?
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Anyway, what are you talking about above or more specifically, who?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/russellf...gy-whats-next/

"the term global warming is dead"

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A goggle news search shows 126,000 hits on "global warming" and many independent media stories use the term within the last 24 hours. Where did you get the idea that the term global warming is dead?
Good, now that you've settled down. That was the type of reaction that I'd expect from a devout Muslim thinking I'd drawn a naughty picture of Muhammad...

I've just noticed that over the last few years, most news stories about this type of thing use climate change instead of global warming like they used to be.

That's pretty much it.

I doubt that I'm alone in noticing this.
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