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Wisconsin Thanksgiving lesson teaches hate and racism

Thanksgiving lesson teaches hate and racism

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Karen Schroeder is the President of Advocates for Academic Freedom, a member of the Wisconsin Educational Communications Board, an experienced public school teacher with an MA, and an educational consultant.


MADISON, Wis. – A Thanksgiving lesson that teaches hate, fear, and racism rather than collaboration, diversity, and respect for truth has been prepared for students in Wisconsin K-5 classrooms.

According to the Department of Public Instruction website, this approach was first recommended in 1977.

This Thanksgiving lesson is based upon a “likelihood, the ‘First Thanksgiving’ in colonial America was proclaimed in 1637 to commemorate the murder of approximately 700 Pequot Indians at Mystic Fort.” This disgusting hypothesis is based on the admitted supposition of the late Professor William Newell of the University of Connecticut.

Actual documents from the 17th century include Edward Winslow’s writings in Mourt’s Relation and William Bradford’s account in Of Plymouth Plantation which describe the Thanksgiving in 1621 where settlers and Native Americans shared food and gave thanks



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Old 11-16-2013, 07:50 PM   #46
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That makes it right for ****s sake. That issue was not seriously addressed until the 60s. Save me the Lincoln freed speech~
Please, black men were paid pensions for for fighitng in the Revolutionary War.

Irish came right off the boat and died for the cause....save me the BS...living in the past is the most detrimental thing anyone can do...regardless of race, creed OR color.
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My point is that what is seen as wrong, and what is seen as forgivable, changes drastically over time and circumstance. To us, who live in relative safety, the slaughter of a village full of Pequot women and children may seem unconscionable. Ask a Connecticutian in 1637 - who had to watch the woods every minute or every day for four years, for fear that a band of murderous Indians would materialize out of nowhere and slaughter them and their entire family and everyone they ever knew - and they would be much more likely to forgive or even applaud it.


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Old 11-16-2013, 11:29 PM   #48
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You see no difference between acknowledging past slaughters and asserting that our national holidays celebrate said slaughters?
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Please, black men were paid pensions for for fighitng in the Revolutionary War.

Irish came right off the boat and died for the cause....save me the BS...living in the past is the most detrimental thing anyone can do...regardless of race, creed OR color.
I am not living in the past. And rather it is flattering or not this country has a very checkered past. Gee bro after reading your post I guess blacks got a fair shake after all
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RNR you got NA blood by any chance ?
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My point is that what is seen as wrong, and what is seen as forgivable, changes drastically over time and circumstance. To us, who live in relative safety, the slaughter of a village full of Pequot women and children may seem unconscionable. Ask a Connecticutian in 1637 - who had to watch the woods every minute or every day for four years, for fear that a band of murderous Indians would materialize out of nowhere and slaughter them and their entire family and everyone they ever knew - and they would be much more likely to forgive or even applaud it.
Agreed. It is the behaviour that followed that casts a less forgiving light I guess~
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And what where they like ? Any fullbloods ? When I started to research my roots and check out NA board it was a real slap in the face how divided I found things to be . Its really hard to help people who can be so messed up , and it takes lots of patience. Looking past all the drug and alcohol abuse and the excuses trying to find a place to build upon is still something that evades me .

As I said my dad was into gampling and casinos long before it became a means for reservations to make money . Not a fan of casinos . The chief Medicine man and tribal elder at Fort Peck tells the kids to go away and learn something and then come back and put it into practice. But he wants to keep the ways of the tribe contained and doesnt say too much about it for those outside like us to consume. He said the NA who hung out around the forts and told the Europeans about their ways in exchange for food and goods were ostracized by the Elders for doing so.
The two I knew the best had issues. One ended up in jail for murder. We knew each other from school and always got along. He was feared by a lot of people but he and I got along. Mutual respect I guess as we never were in a situation where we felt the need to test each other. We hung out from time time partying. We went our separate ways as we got older. The other I worked with for a couple years. He grew up on a reservation and was into mystic nonsense. He would talk of the old ways and the "white man ways" He referred to me as Mick because of my Irish roots and I called him Chief. We got along fairly well. I do not hate my country and have very little use for people who have a victims mentality. This country has come a long ways and that is something to be proud of. However we should never forget where we came from and deny things because they are uncomfortable to talk about~
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The Real Story of the First Thanksgiving AND the first inkling of Libtard "you owe me" deadbeats trying to game the system even back then in 1621.

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The Real Story of Thanksgiving
November 23, 2011

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RUSH: Now time for a tradition, an annual tradition, and that is The Real Story of Thanksgiving from my book that I wrote back in the early nineties. I wrote two of them, actually. In one of the books I wrote, The Real Story of Thanksgiving. And reading from it has become something we do every year on the program because it's still not taught. The myth of Thanksgiving is still what is taught, and that myth is basically that a bunch of thieves from Europe arrived quite by accident at Plymouth Rock, and if it weren't for the Indians showing them how to grow corn and slaughter turkeys and how to swallow and stuff, that they would have died of starvation and so forth. The Indians were great -- and then, in a total show of appreciation, we totally wiped out the Indians!

We took their country from 'em. We started racism, sexism, bigotry, homophobia; spread syphilis; and, basically, destroyed the environment. That is the multicultural version of Thanksgiving, and it simply isn't true. The real version of Thanksgiving is in my second best-seller, 2.5 million copies in hardback: See, I Told You So. "Chapter 6, Dead White Guys, or What the History Books Never Told You: The True Story of Thanksgiving -- The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth century ... The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned, and sometimes executed for their beliefs." In England.

So, "A group of separatists first fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World, where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship God according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1, 1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers, including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey, Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible. The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for their example.

"And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in November, they found -- according to Bradford's detailed journal -- a cold, barren, desolate wilderness." The New York Jets had just lost to the Patriots. "There were no friends to greet them, he wrote." I just threw that in about the Jets and Patriots. "There were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims -- including Bradford's own wife -- died of either starvation, sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.

"Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper! This is important to understand because this is where modern American history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of gratitude grounded in the tradition of" the Bible, "both the Old and New Testaments. Here is the part that has been omitted: The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well." Everything belonged to everybody. "They were going to distribute it equally. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well.

"Nobody owned anything." It was a forerunner of Occupy Wall Street. Seriously. "They just had a share in it," but nobody owned anything. "It was a commune, folks." The original pilgrim settlement was a commune. "It was the forerunner to the communes we saw in the '60s and '70s out in California," and Occupy Wall Street, "and it was complete with organic vegetables, by the way." There's no question they were organic vegetables. What else could they be? "Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives. He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage," as they saw fit, and, "thus turning loose the power of the marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism.

"And what happened? It didn't work!" They nearly starved! "It never has worked! What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years -- trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it -- the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson. If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering in the future." If it were, there wouldn't be any Occupy Wall Street. There wouldn't be any romance for it.

"The experience that we had in this common course and condition,'" Bradford wrote. "'The experience that we had in this common course and condition tried sundry years...that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing -- as if they were wiser than God,' Bradford wrote." This was his way of saying, it didn't work, we thought we were smarter than everybody, everybody was gonna share equally, nobody was gonna have anything more than anything else, it was gonna be hunky-dory, kumbaya. Except it doesn't work. Because of half of them didn't work, maybe more. They depended on the others to do all the work. There was no incentive.

"'For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense,'" without being paid for it, "'that was thought injustice.'" They figured it out real quick. Half the community is not working -- living off the other half, that is. Resentment built. Why should you work for other people when you can't work for yourself? that's what he was saying. So the Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to do their best work without incentive. So what did Bradford's community try next? They unharnessed the power of good old free enterprise by invoking the under-girding capitalistic principle of private property.

"Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result? 'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.' ... Is it possible that supply-side economics could have existed before the 1980s? Yes," it did. "Now, this is where it gets really good, folks, if you're laboring under the misconception that I was, as I was taught in school. So they set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians." This is what happened. After everybody had their own plot of land and were allowed to market it and develop it as they saw fit and got to keep what they produced, bounty, plenty resulted.

"And then they set up trading posts, stores. They exchanged goods with and sold the Indians things. Good old-fashioned commerce. They sold stuff. And there were profits because they were screwing the Indians with the price. I'm just throwing that in. No, there were profits, and, "The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to the merchants in London." The Canarsie tribe showed up and they paid double, which is what made the Canarsie tribe screw us in the "Manna-hatin" deal years later. (I just threw that in.) They paid off the merchant sponsors back in London with their profits, they were selling goods and services to the Indians. "[T]he success and prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans," what was barren was now productive, "and began what came to be known as the 'Great Puritan Migration.'

But this story stops when the Indians taught the newly arrived suffering-in-socialism Pilgrims how to plant corn and fish for cod. That's where the original Thanksgiving story stops, and the story basically doesn't even begin there. The real story of Thanksgiving is William Bradford giving thanks to God," the pilgrims giving thanks to God, "for the guidance and the inspiration to set up a thriving colony," for surviving the trip, for surviving the experience and prospering in it. "The bounty was shared with the Indians." That's the story. "They did sit down" and they did have free-range turkey and organic vegetables. There were no trans fats, "but it was not the Indians who saved the day. It was capitalism and Scripture which saved the day," as acknowledged by George Washington in his first Thanksgiving Proclamation in 1789, which I also have here.

RUSH: I want to quickly tell you about one passenger on the Mayflower, a guy named Francis Eaton. He was a carpenter. He was not one of the Pilgrims. He was another passenger. He was a carpenter. He died in 1633, 13 years after they landed at Plymouth, and here's what he left in his will: "One cow, one calf, two hogs, 50 bushels of corn, a black suit, a white hat, a black hat, boots, saws, hammers, square augers, a chisel, fishing lead, and some kitchen items" and his season tickets for the Redskins-Cowboys game. No, no, seriously. This is the estate of one of the men who probably built many of the houses for the first settlers. Very modest. But it shows what he saw as wealth back then. By the way, the life expectancy back then was not much. Not compared to today. And just remember, they were not eating trans fats, and they didn't live as long as we do today.

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Karen Schroeder is the President of Advocates for Academic Freedom, a member of the Wisconsin Educational Communications Board, an experienced public school teacher with an MA, and an educational consultant.


MADISON, Wis. – A Thanksgiving lesson that teaches hate, fear, and racism rather than collaboration, diversity, and respect for truth has been prepared for students in Wisconsin K-5 classrooms.

According to the Department of Public Instruction website, this approach was first recommended in 1977.

This Thanksgiving lesson is based upon a “likelihood, the ‘First Thanksgiving’ in colonial America was proclaimed in 1637 to commemorate the murder of approximately 700 Pequot Indians at Mystic Fort.” This disgusting hypothesis is based on the admitted supposition of the late Professor William Newell of the University of Connecticut.

Actual documents from the 17th century include Edward Winslow’s writings in Mourt’s Relation and William Bradford’s account in Of Plymouth Plantation which describe the Thanksgiving in 1621 where settlers and Native Americans shared food and gave thanks



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I am not living in the past. And rather it is flattering or not this country has a very checkered past. Gee bro after reading your post I guess blacks got a fair shake after all
absolutely..there are blacks since 1700's who have accomplished more than you and I could ever dream of...COMBINED.

Look at Africa...you think that the quality of life there even compares to the US?

...they, like everyone of us, ARE damn fortunate to be here...and if after 5oo years you've STILL got your hand out...that's on you.
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I'm still proud of you for taking on Wesboro Baptist AND the Nazi rally all in the same week. Your brave stand will be remembered forever by everyone who surely admires your courage.
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I'm still proud of you for taking on Wesboro Baptist AND the Nazi rally all in the same week. Your brave stand will be remembered forever by everyone who surely admires your courage.
I understand I offended you by expressing my disdain for your church and your sheet wearing buddies. I own my stances unlike you. You hint around and use careful language. Why don't you just admit you are a homophobic racist?
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Look at Africa...you think that the quality of life there even compares to the US?

...they, like everyone of us, ARE damn fortunate to be here...and if after 5oo years you've STILL got your hand out...that's on you.
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:27 PM   #60
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RNR you mean well and whether you realize it or not you are still figuring out your 'worldview' and 'moral compass' to some degree but you really mean well. We have all had our moments of walking in contradiction and some have longer walks than others to the moment of 'truth' that finally slaps us in the face to wake us up.
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