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Old 09-25-2013, 04:54 AM  
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The Double Absurdity of Ted Cruz's 'Filibuster'

Why the senator's last stand against Obamacare just doesn't make sense.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...buster/279959/

Who says Republicans and Democrats can't agree on anything? These days, they are largely united in their loathing for Ted Cruz, the pugnacious Republican freshman senator from Texas. On Tuesday afternoon, Cruz took the floor of the Senate and vowed to speak as long as he could stand. (His colleague Mike Lee has already taken a turn at the podium.)

For procedural reasons, Cruz's remarks, however long, do not constitute a true filibuster; the vote to move forward with government-funding legislation is scheduled to begin after noon on Wednesday and will go forward regardless. Twitter quickly dubbed his stand a "fauxlibuster" or -- perfect for its invocation of vacuous, feel-good nonsense-speech -- a "Ted Talk." Invoking the Nazis, the Soviet Union, and the Little Engine That Could, Cruz styled himself the lone crusader for right against a formidably equipped enemy.

Nearly to a one, Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare. But most also worry Cruz's defund crusade will lead to a government shutdown that hurts the GOP politically. Leaving aside the policy or even the political advisability of Cruz's undertaking, though, there are a couple of basic logical problems with what he's trying to do, as the conservative writer David Freddoso pointed out on the Conservative Intelligence Briefing website on Sunday.

1. He's trying to block the same bill he says he wants to pass. Cruz and his fellow defunders pushed the Republican-controlled House of Representatives to pass a bill funding the federal government but stopping funding for health-care-reform implementation. The House obeyed and passed the bill on Friday. But now that the Senate is considering the bill, Cruz wants to prevent it from being voted on. "If youíre really interested in putting pressure on Democrats to heed their constituents and vote to defund Obamacare, then you make them take the very vote that Cruz is trying to prevent from happening," Freddoso writes.

2. Shutting down the government wouldn't stop Obamacare. On Fox News on Friday, Cruz proposed passing piecemeal funding bills for "different pieces of the government," such as the military, implying Congress could fund other government functions while omitting Obamacare. But that's wrong -- the money for Obamacare isn't at stake in the continuing resolution currently under consideration. It's "mandatory" spending, akin to Medicare and Social Security, and would require action by Congress to revoke. "Iím convinced that most conservatives who have bought into [Cruz's] strategy have been misled to believe we can hold off Obamacare for a while with a government shutdown," Freddoso writes. "Obamacare is already funded, and that wonít change if this bill gets stalled by a filibuster. During the shutdown, the Marines donít get paid, but Obamacare gets funded."

Conservatives can cheer Cruz for grabbing the nation's attention and giving an impassioned, high-profile speech. But, Freddoso argues, they shouldn't pretend this is a practical step toward stalling legislation they hate. As he wrote in another post: "This plan is right out of Alice in Wonderland. You need to prevent a vote on defunding Obamacare in order to defund Obamacare." Good luck with that, Senator.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:37 PM   #106
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I threw no tantrum. I told you what I (and most of the rest of the people I have heard from on this board) think of you based on your recent behavior on this "shitty board."

It's funny that now you feel the need to project your complexes on me. I'm not the one with the bloated sense of self importance. You might want to take a long hard look in a jumbo sized mirror on that one.

(Oh, and "every now and then" to the tune of 44,000 posts in 11 years? You have to have some SERIOUS time to kill.)
The past few years? Absolutely every now and then.

This place is great for laughs. Sorry the laughs are not "with" any of you anymore.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:38 PM   #107
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Before his sex change, Zach used to play football.
Right here Kyle. This is the guy.

Frazod will absolutely suck your dick to completion because he knows nothing other than ChiefsPlanet.

Your "I am not mad just disappointed" schtick will be really effective on him.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:39 PM   #108
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The past few years? Absolutely every now and then.

This place is great for laughs. Sorry the laughs are not "with" any of you anymore.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:42 PM   #109
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Right here Kyle. This is the guy.

Frazod will absolutely suck your dick to completion because he knows nothing other than ChiefsPlanet.

Your "I am not mad just disappointed" schtick will be really effective on him.
Yeah, I've really been one with the moderators lately.

Poor Zackipoo. All the men are so mean to him now.
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:00 PM   #110
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:04 PM   #111
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I think this is the context that people are missing in this recent theatre:

The last 24 hours wasn't Ted Cruz vs. Democrats. Not at all really. The last 24 hours was about Ted Cruz (and the new school republicans) vs. John McCain, Mitch McConnell, and everyone else in the old school. This is just an extension of the Republican civil war.

Ted Cruz, whether people have the savvy to understand this or not, just fired across Mitch Mconnell's bows, and the entire Republican establishment. If you get a chance, watch the exchange that he had during primetime during the speech with Dick Durbin. He laid out the whole strategy there. Or better yet, just check the first post of this thread - which pretty well nailed everything that happened this week before it even happened.

This whole thing is about the senate fight in 2014 and the new guard letting the old guard know "we have the floor now - stand down."
Fractured.
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:20 PM   #112
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The past few years? Absolutely every now and then.

This place is great for laughs. Sorry the laughs are not "with" any of you anymore.
So you grace us poor people with your presence simply to amuse yourself? You realize that being a part of a community simply to make yourself feel superior shows a serious "little man" complex. (which is ironic as hell) Compensate much?
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:15 PM   #113
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Excellent. Since it doesn't matter to you I might as well be honest and let you know that I think you have gone from a somewhat entertaining poster to a vile arrogant douchebag over the last few years. It's a bit confusing to me since you have absolutely nothing to actually be arrogant about. Lacking in both brains and looks you seem to compensate with completely unjustified self love. Last time I checked it wasn't a point of pride to be a fat, effeminate, no talent soccer groupie.
Thats gonna leave a mark.
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:18 PM   #114
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Before his sex change, Zach used to play football.

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Old 09-25-2013, 10:31 PM   #115
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I can't understand why the GOP is fighting this so much. Just let it be implemented, keep your mouths shut, and let it collapse under it's own weight. If it's really a horrible plan (and it likely will be), it'll collapse. Let the Democrats OWN their stupidity, let them hang themselves.
George Will- the GOP should let Obamacare fail:

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Old 09-26-2013, 04:26 AM   #116
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So you grace us poor people with your presence simply to amuse yourself? You realize that being a part of a community simply to make yourself feel superior shows a serious "little man" complex. (which is ironic as hell) Compensate much?
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:08 PM   #119
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So you grace us poor people with your presence simply to amuse yourself? You realize that being a part of a community simply to make yourself feel superior shows a serious "little man" complex. (which is ironic as hell) Compensate much?
A lil Chiefs news...some random interesting things...and laughing at the "community".

Doesn't take that long as is enjoyable...any pretend links to my self esteem are just that created by you.
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