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Old 02-01-2013, 12:00 PM   Topic Starter
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Hypothetical: Chip Kelly LOVES Geno Smith

Let's say that Chip Kelly really loves Geno Smith and feels that he is the one QB in this draft who could run his offense. The Chiefs aren't as sold on Geno as some of the members of this board--in fact, they have Geno and Tyler Wilson graded fairly close together.

If the Eagles are willing to trade their #4 pick, their second this year and their first next year for our #1 pick, do you pull the trigger and pick up Wilson with the #4?

Granted, Wilson being there at 4 is not a guarantee, but it is highly likely. Maybe that is why they bring in Alex Smith, insurance.

Personally, I would do it.

I think with some proper coaching from the QB Whisperer, Wilson could be a top notch QB (note: I am a Geno fan).

We have so many holes that could be filled with those two other picks (a high 2nd rounder, and lets face it; the Eagles will suck next year too so that pick should be a high first).

If Wilson can be coached to be a franchise QB, would you trade Geno for him and two other probable starters?
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:02 PM   #2
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I certainly wouldn't complain, and yeah i'd be ecstatic...as long as we actually got Wilson.

If we trade down to draft a LT....yeah, i'd be pissed.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:02 PM   #3
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Wilson goes to the Jags, Barkley to the Raiders, and we're stuck.

NO.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:02 PM   #4
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So let's trade down.....past two teams who both need QBs and could take QBs.

**** that shit. If they like Wilson....then take him at #1.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:16 PM   #5
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So let's trade down.....past two teams who both need QBs and could take QBs.

**** that shit. If they like Wilson....then take him at #1.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:18 PM   #6
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That's retarded. If you can get Wilson at #4 - and you can - along with the #36 pick and a first next year, then you're retarded for taking him #1.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:19 PM   #7
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That's retarded. If you can get Wilson at #4 - and you can - along with the #36 pick and a first next year, then you're retarded for taking him #1.
There's no way to know that ahead of time. No way.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:21 PM   #8
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That's retarded. If you can get Wilson at #4 - and you can - along with the #36 pick and a first next year, then you're retarded for taking him #1.
Yes, in a perfect world you can.


Say you do trade down though to 4, and the Cards call up the Raiders and trade to 3 and take him there. Then you are left with a guy you aren't a high on.


Why risk it.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:22 PM   #9
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Why risk it.
Value.

I meet with CEOs, CIOs, and CTOs in the financial industry all the time.

You know how many of them are more interested in maximizing value vs. minimizing risk?
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:25 PM   #10
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Yes, in a perfect world you can.


Say you do trade down though to 4, and the Cards call up the Raiders and trade to 3 and take him there. Then you are left with a guy you aren't a high on.


Why risk it.
I suppose it depends on how high KC is on Wilson. If they feel like it's literally a toss-up between Geno, Barkley, and Wilson then sure you take the trade.

If they feel like there is one guy and then the rest of them are scrubs, then yes you absolutely take that one guy number 1. IF you feel like he is your guy. Absolutely.

My understanding of this thread was that hypothetically KC wasn't enamored with Geno and looking to trade down.

After Geno, to me it's a toss-up.

It certainly makes drafting Wilson or Barkley less of a gamble when you get the extra picks. Given that the top of the second round is essentially the first round (with guys falling), you're looking at getting potentially 3 first round talents - INCLUDING YOUR QB - simply for not taking a guy you weren't high on anyway.

Couple that with the extra first round pick next year, and I think it's a no-brainer.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:38 PM   #11
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That's retarded. If you can get Wilson at #4 - and you can - along with the #36 pick and a first next year, then you're retarded for taking him #1.
And what happens if he's gone before #4?

That's when you get into what the Browns GM called the Weeden pick.....a "panicked disaster".
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:41 PM   #12
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And what happens if he's gone before #4?

That's when you get into what the Browns GM called the Weeden pick.....a "panicked disaster".
I'm no higher on Wilson than I am Barkley. To me, they are a distant 2A and 2B behind Geno.

If the Chiefs took Barkley, I would be in no way more disappointed than if they took Wilson.

If they aren't taking Geno, then my emotions go way down.

Barkley + #34, #36, and two firsts next year

Wilson + #34, #36, and two firsts next year.

To me, they're the same.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:11 PM   #14
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Let's say that Chip Kelly really loves Geno Smith and feels that he is the one QB in this draft who could run his offense. The Chiefs aren't as sold on Geno as some of the members of this board--in fact, they have Geno and Tyler Wilson graded fairly close together.

If the Eagles are willing to trade their #4 pick, their second this year and their first next year for our #1 pick, do you pull the trigger and pick up Wilson with the #4?

Granted, Wilson being there at 4 is not a guarantee, but it is highly likely. Maybe that is why they bring in Alex Smith, insurance.

Personally, I would do it.

I think with some proper coaching from the QB Whisperer, Wilson could be a top notch QB (note: I am a Geno fan).

We have so many holes that could be filled with those two other picks (a high 2nd rounder, and lets face it; the Eagles will suck next year too so that pick should be a high first).

If Wilson can be coached to be a franchise QB, would you trade Geno for him and two other probable starters?
Hypothetical Scenario in which Sorter= GM for KC

Just another day in the office, getting ready for the draft. Sends Pioli an email saying "**** you, pillowbiter."

All of a sudden, a wild phone rings. *ring, ring*

"Hello, this is Sorter. Who's this?"

"Hi Sorter, this is Chip Kelly. I'd like to talk to you about the availability of your first round pick"

"...Could you hang on just one minute for me, Chip? Thanks."

...a minute passes...

*phone picked back up* "Hey Chip, I have someone who'd like to speak to you." (to another person) "Yeah, sure go ahead and tell him"

"Hello Chip, this is Geno Smith. Go **** yourself."

"Any questions Chip?"
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:36 PM   #15
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Hypothetical Scenario in which Sorter= GM for KC

Just another day in the office, getting ready for the draft. Sends ***** an email saying "**** you, pillowbiter."

All of a sudden, a wild phone rings. *ring, ring*

"Hello, this is Sorter. Who's this?"

"Hi Sorter, this is Chip Kelly. I'd like to talk to you about the availability of your first round pick"

"...Could you hang on just one minute for me, Chip? Thanks."

...a minute passes...

*phone picked back up* "Hey Chip, I have someone who'd like to speak to you." (to another person) "Yeah, sure go ahead and tell him"

"Hello Chip, this is Geno Smith. Go **** yourself."

"Any questions Chip?"
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