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View Poll Results: Should we allow gays the same rights as hetrosexuals?
Yes 68 72.34%
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Leave it to the states. Not a federal issue. 17 18.09%
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:03 AM   Topic Starter
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SCOTUS to take on allowing Gays to marry. What say you?

There are two cases(DOMA and Proposition 8) to be heard by the SCOTUS this session.

At the base of the question is do gay Americans have the same rights as heterosexual Americans? And if so, do they need their constitutional rights protected at the federal level.

I've never had an openly gay friend, co-worker or family member. I did coach a little league baseball team. On that team I had a player with two Mom's. The players and the parents accepted the kid of the two Mom's as any other player. The other parents let their kids go over to the two Mom's house for sleepovers etc. It wasn't a factor to consider in the slightest.

I don't have any personal experience to know what rights is actually being denied. However, I believe that for whatever reason they were born that way. It's not a choice. You can't pray it out of them. You can't give them therapy and turn them into heterosexuals. They are what they are naturally and we should just accept them.

IMHO, the government/city/state/society have no right to tell it's citizens what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. some of our citizens who they can and who they can't love. Who they can and can't marry. History will not be kind to the discrimination of gays, with cause. It's time to end this era of gay discrimination.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:04 AM   #2
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Let the states decide.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:09 AM   #3
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Let the states decide.
My only problem with that is the civil rights issue. We didn't allow the southern states to enslave human beings, discriminate against black in housing, voting laws etc.

The states don't get to decide the freedom of individuals. The federal government and the SCOTUS decide what freedoms the constitution allows its citizens.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:29 AM   #4
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My only problem with that is the civil rights issue. We didn't allow the southern states to enslave human beings, discriminate against black in housing, voting laws etc.

The states don't get to decide the freedom of individuals. The federal government and the SCOTUS decide what freedoms the constitution allows its citizens.
If SCOTUS leaves it up to the states will you be fine with that then?
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:40 AM   #5
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If SCOTUS leaves it up to the states will you be fine with that then?
the general consensus from the talking heads is that the reason they took this up is to strike it down and make it clear that discrimination against homosexuals is done in America. The SCOTUS are the deciders of our legal battles. but, no, I would not be okay with it because this is not a legal battle.

The SCOTUS decides what is legal and or what their interpretation of the constitution. But, they don't decide what is morally right for the country.

The fact that gays are still being discriminated against in 2012 is a slander on us as a society.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:46 AM   #6
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the general consensus from the talking heads is that the reason they took this up is to strike it down and make it clear that discrimination against homosexuals is done in America. The SCOTUS are the deciders of our legal battles. but, no, I would not be okay with it because this is not a legal battle.

The SCOTUS decides what is legal and or what their interpretation of the constitution. But, they don't decide what is morally right for the country.

The fact that gays are still being discriminated against in 2012 is a slander on us as a society.
If I read that right you think SCOTUS took up the issue so they can eliminate gay marriage across the board?
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:49 AM   #7
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the general consensus from the talking heads is that the reason they took this up is to strike it down and make it clear that discrimination against homosexuals is done in America. The SCOTUS are the deciders of our legal battles. but, no, I would not be okay with it because this is not a legal battle.

The SCOTUS decides what is legal and or what their interpretation of the constitution. But, they don't decide what is morally right for the country.

The fact that gays are still being discriminated against in 2012 is a slander on us as a society.

And with a ruling from SCOTUS that will go away? Nothing SCOTUS can do will prevent this discrimination you see in your world
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:24 AM   #8
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But, they don't decide what is morally right for the country.
The SC has a long history of precedent leaving moral issues to community standards.

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If SCOTUS leaves it up to the states will you be fine with that then?
not likely to happen...

equal protection under the law is not subject to a vote...

the supremes will not let states make that determination, they will vote one way or the other, equal marriage rights are either constitutional or they're not...
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My only problem with that is the civil rights issue. We didn't allow the southern states to enslave human beings, discriminate against black in housing, voting laws etc.

The states don't get to decide the freedom of individuals. The federal government and the SCOTUS decide what freedoms the constitution allows its citizens.
We don't allow states to enslave gays or deny them their ability to vote either.

Some states prevent both heterosexuals and homosexuals from entering into same sex marriage. If heterosexuals could do it but not homosexuals (or vice versa), then we'd have an equal protection issue.
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Some states prevent both heterosexuals and homosexuals from entering into same sex marriage. If heterosexuals could do it but not homosexuals (or vice versa), then we'd have a equal protection issue.
You've made this argument a few times over the years, and it never fails to crack my shit up.
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Let the states decide.
Do you think we should let the states decide if black marriages should be permitted?
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Do you think we should let the states decide if black marriages should be permitted?
No, we have a constitutional amendment that addresses that.
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No, we have a constitutional amendment that addresses that.
What's the difference in a gay couple getting married and a black couple getting married?
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What's the difference in a gay couple getting married and a black couple getting married?
A gay man and gay woman can get married under traditional marriage laws just like a black man and black woman.

A black man and another black man are not allowed to marry under traditional marriage laws just like a gay man and another gay man.

So, in that sense there's no difference.
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