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Old 04-25-2011, 03:51 PM   Topic Starter
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Game of Thrones (spoiler-free zone)

A few have suggested it, might as well test the waters. The idea is to give people who haven't read the books a safe place to talk about the show.

A few quick ground rules:
  • No Spoilers!!!!! for upcoming episodes.
  • Larger Song of Ice and Fire discussion should be limited to the other thread although I think a tiny bit of book delving to fill in holes should be okay (example of this would be talking about Catelyn and her treatment of the wolves in the novel, which was alluded to on TV but never really made clear...)
  • Everything that happened that week is fair game once an episode airs. So if you don't watch on Sunday night, I'd stay outta here until you do...
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Old 04-25-2011, 04:51 PM   #2
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Old 04-25-2011, 05:09 PM   #3
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Old 04-25-2011, 05:17 PM   #4
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Great idea. I'd like to ask something in a non-book context (though I have read them.) I have heard a couple of people I work with say they don't think the Dany story is very interesting, and while I agree that her character is a bit shallow as of two episodes, I think she serves an important function in the Westeros story lines. Unless some time is devoted to showing her as a real person, the conversation between Ned and Robert by the King's Road about her marriage would be fairly empty amid the other harsh actions of the Winterfell and King's Road episodes.

When Robert talks about killing her, it would have very little impact if she wasn't known. How much of a threat can she be? We've seen her and she has very little strength yet.

Anybody here finding her story uninteresting? Again, strictly from the context of the two episodes of the tv show that have aired.

Conversely, the same thing applies to Visaerys and Ser Jorah talking about Ser Jorah's exile. If we didn't know Ned Stark, his honor, and his way being the old way, the reason for exile might have seemed as empty as it did to Visaerys. Just shows how ill prepared Visaerys is to cross the sea and confront the Lords of the Seven Kingdoms.

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Old 04-25-2011, 06:10 PM   #5
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They needed to make the horde look much bigger to show the significance of the events. The wedding, though cool, should have panned back to show tens of thousands of Dothraki (the book says 40,000 warriors in the khalasar alone, and uncounted women and children). It would go a long way to show why the marriage is so important and why the Westeros lords are still worried.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:15 PM   #6
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They needed to make the horde look much bigger to show the significance of the events. The wedding, though cool, should have panned back to show tens of thousands of Dothraki (the book says 40,000 warriors in the khalasar alone, and uncounted women and children). It would go a long way to show why the marriage is so important and why the Westeros lords are still worried.
Yes. I think that would have helped for sure.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:19 PM   #7
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Yes. I think that would have helped for sure.
but it sounds like they have to have ships to croass the water to threaten the king. So, either they become master ship builders or conquer some people that already have boats or pardner with a people with boats.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:20 PM   #8
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but it sounds like they have to have ships to croass the water to threaten the king. So, either they become master ship builders or conquer some people that already have boats or pardner with a people with boats.
Yeah that seemed really odd to me that they don't have any ships.
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:35 AM   #9
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Yeah that seemed really odd to me that they don't have any ships.
There is a reason for that, but I am not sure if they will delve into it in the show, so I won't spoil it in this thread. I can PM the reason if you are just dying to know, but it's a fairly minor detail in the big picture.
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Old 04-25-2011, 06:29 PM   #10
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I think my problem with Dany early on (in print) was that it felt like a secondary story; it's off in this far corner of the world, and there's so much going on elsewhere. I just wanted Martin to get back to the interesting stuff on the other continent. There was also the whole Conan vibe to it, and initially that felt off to me in the middle of the medieval sword and sorcery stuff going on across the sea. The whole subplot seemed detached, although I knew rationally that it wasn't.

On the show though, they've made a point of emphasizing it and making it seem as important as everything else going on right from the very start. I'm fine with it.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:13 PM   #11
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cool idea. thanks!
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:15 PM   #12
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Wasn't the King married to starks sister and she was murdered? Or have I got that wrong?
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:21 PM   #13
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Wasn't the King married to starks sister and she was murdered? Or have I got that wrong?
Ned and Robert believe she was slain by Rhaegar Targaryen, who would have been the next king had Robert not taken the throne (Robert actually mentioned this in the episode last night, at least that it was Rhaegar who killed her).

They were not married. And I have some theories about what happened to Lyanna Stark and why, but I can't go into them in this thread...
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Wasn't the King married to starks sister and she was murdered? Or have I got that wrong?
In love and going to be married. She was killed by the previous king to Robert who they have called the mad king a few times already, which there will be a lot more on later to learn more about it.

Something else they didn't cover in the book that was early on was that Ned and Robert were raised essentially as brothers as wards to Jon Arryn. They were further linked with the relationship of the mentioned relationship above, which would have also linked two strong houses of Stark and Baratheon.
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