[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by HMc

You don't come across as smart as you think you do. I enjoy my workouts after using SM. I have no practical means of testing whether it is due a placebo effect or because of the stuff they put in it, nor do I have any real incentive at 40$ a bottle to seek out such a test. I enjoy my workouts more than when I had coffee beforehand (all other variables remained equal). It does not mean I entirely disregard scientific evidence when it is available.



It's not "ironic" (please procure a reputable dictionary). I didn't bring up testosterone supplements or "t booster" supplements or whatever, so your slab of quoted text that refutes the efficacy of those is useless. I said SUPPLEMENTING TESTOSTERONE with NEEDLES, or in other words, using anabolic steroids. If you think that process only provides "slight" gains, I don't know what else to tell you.

I just refuse to debate something with someone who has no clue what he is talking about and won't acknowledge anything as being true unless he read it from a ****ing government sponsored website or another only if it confirms that everything is a placebo. For those who have taken roids like myself many times over decades I think I got a really good feel for knowing what is working and what isn't. I don't need somebody who is an expert at reading articles from supposed experts who has no personal experience at all coming and telling me I am just imagining things and giving me his flipping pretentious attitude. **** your science. I have no idea why fish does this, he is way to smart to go down that road. He knows all about the dosing of C but doesn't know the first thing about the benefits? Give me a flippen break. Dude just feels the need to make other people feel stupid for whatever reason. Lets check the list, bigger, stonger, leaner and I got zits on my ass like when I was 16, IT MUST BE MY ****ING IMAGINATION.

I am a friggen reerun, thank god Fish came along to give me clarity.