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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
That's not entirely accurate; did you read/listen to his presser at all?
We were close. Real close. But in the end this is the ultimate culmination of 5 years of failure by John Mozeliak. His inability to strengthen this roster ANYWHERE over the last half decade and his unwillingness to move on from a clearly overmatched manager has cost us a generational talent because he didn't believe in the immediate, short term future of the franchise.
Yes, that's a very clear indictment of this front office. Sure, they tried hard, but they failed because of a hole they dug.
If Joe Maddon is a Cardinal right now, so is Giancarlo Stanton. If they'd have made a move on Andrelton Simmons instead of banking on Jhonny Peralta to bounce back, who knows where we stand. If they wouldn't have pussed out on the Moncada sweepstakes so they could keep their powder dry for an incredibly underwhelming 2016 international haul, maybe they get him moved for Sale and things are entirely different. Maybe if they target Freeman instead of Heyward in the Shelby Miller deal. Maybe if they're more aggressive in 2015 and instead of getting Moss to do nothing in the post-season they get Cespedes and he helps them knock off the Cubs and changes the entire narrative around the NL Central.
John Mozeliak has done a poor job running this team for 4-5 years now and it's biting him. There are 100 different things he could've done over the last several years to put this team in a better situation but by and large he's done precisely dick. And the team is feeling the results of that.
And yes, the Cardinals could ask for a negotiating window with Machado and insist that any trade is contingent on an agreed contract extension. They may well get the window - I don't think they'll get the extension unless it has an immediate opt-out. Probably in 2020 so he can get involved in a more barren FA market and get a contract that takes him deeper into his decline years.
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no just read the comments after the presser. I'm giving the FO a pass on failing to land Stanton. I don't think they had a chance.
We are on the same page with Mo. it's not just the trades or FA's aquired, it's the missed oppertunites. Max, Simmons etc. like you mentioned.
I'm convinced now that the overpaying for relievers is based on the market yelling to the Cardinals, you want me to pitch at the mercy of Meathead? Open that checkbook wide. And the best ones go elsewhere. That's not on Mo, that's on Dewitt for keeping Matheny.
I think MAtheny is keeping us from getting the top players now. We have such a great and long history. 11 championships including 2 recent. We've only sucked for a couple of years. We can have a top 10 payroll. 3 million fans in person and a rapid fan base to applaud you for every little thing you do at Bush. You can suck but hustle all the time and you still get the praise.
This is on Dewitt for keeping Meathead.