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Old 11-15-2017, 03:52 PM   #84
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Not sure I can quite say this right but I'll give it a shot.

So Louis CK is weird; I don't think that's at issue. And I think we are all pretty much in agreement that using his influence to on people to effectively force them to indulge them in his deviant behavior crosses the line from weird to abhorrent. So what we're really going to damn him for is not being weird, but rather for abusing his status to force people into effectively participating in his deviancy.

Anyone that has ascended professionally has had a moment where they went from 'of the group' to 'above the group'. And virtually everyone that has that moment realized it happened WELL after it did. There's generally a tipping point where you look around and think to yourself "holy shit; people not only care what I have to say, they'll pretty much make it happen without questioning..."

Now for most of us, that has nothing to do with your creepy sexual proclivities. You say something harsh and it ****s up someone's day. A week later you realize 'damn; I didn't have any idea I could do that..." and you feel bad about it. You tell a tech guy that you need to get work done so he doesn't do some updates that dick up your office for a week because suddenly when you say "i need X" the person you say it to doesn't say "but what about Y?", they just capitulate because you're now a person that gets listened to. You realize that and now you're the person that has to ask yourself "but what about Y?" because nobody is going to do it anymore. You have to be your own devil's advocate at that point and you recalibrate your behavior accordingly.

It appears that a LOT of what CK did was, what, 10 years or so ago? 15? I haven't stayed up to date of late, but most of this was right around that time that he was still becoming famous rather than after he became a worldwide megastar. Isn't there at least some possibility that what we're looking at here is a person that simply had no idea that he'd become 'above the group' at that point? This is probably the same kind of weird shit he'd been doing for years and just got blown out of the water for. If he became an influential figure before he really realized he wielded that kind of power, his behavior is still weird as **** but isn't it less predatory? And wouldn't that also explain why it tapered off as his position in the comedy world became pretty damn apparent?

Eh, I dunno...just trying to look at it from another angle. If it turns out he was still slinging his dick at girls 4-5 years ago, there's probably nothing to that thought. But it would seem like even as long ago as 2010, he realized he'd been a complete ****head in the early 2000s.

It isn't an excuse as much as it's a possible explanation. And even if it were accurate - it would come off as tone-deaf as ****; he could never say "gee, I didn't realize that people now felt compelled to stare at my dick; I just thought I was on a hot streak..." because facially it does come off as really silly. But I do think there could be a kernel of truth there because it is something that happens. It's just that 99% of us aren't sexual deviants so it manifests itself differently.
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