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Old 03-19-2014, 08:42 AM   #140
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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ View Post
true, but correct me if I'm wrong, scientific laws are there for a reason, that is, they are provable, varifiable and accepted facts. You cannot create matter from nothing according to scientific laws, that's impossible. However, in order to justify the theory of the big bang, and by proxy the theory of evolution, people like Krauss are resorting to what is little more than a discussion on magic.

My whole involvement in this thread came about because the Dave Lane poster said it's easier to explain the existence of the universe if you take the supernatural out of the equation. But then when you do that how do you explain everything coming out of nothing? It takes a lot of speculation, imagination and pure fiction to explain something coming out of nothing, yet people like Dave Lane say it's easier to do this than say "God created the universe?"

This is called being a hypocrit where I come from.
First the big bang doesn't say the universe came out of "nothing"
There was always some form of energy that existed

Second technically something can out of nothing. At the quantum level things behave in ways that break the laws of physics. To even to pretend to understand how the universe MUST operate is beyond naïve, for anyone, let alone someone without a lifetime's work in the field of physics.

Unless you have an answer as to how a single electron can go every direction at the same time, then you should not try to fit everything into a cause and effect relationship because things at the quantum level don't behave that way.

Third you just can't say "well it can't come from nothing, so there must of been a creator"
If there is a creator, then where did it come from?
A creator of universes of far more complex than a single universe.

It is not the simplest explanation, it is a deflection
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