[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And if you need specificity, . . and I can go all night with examples.

The closest to the Gunn situation are, in my estimation Judd Apatow and Michael Ian Black.

Both shame and exile, and both have said some corrosive stuff in their history. But I'm not storming the Bastille over them. In MIB's case, I feel a little sorry for him because, even though he's a smarmy douche, he's also relatively harmless and hasn't garnered the highest accolades and powers that others might have. OTOH, I probably wouldn't shed TOO many tears if I learned either of them lost out on a role or project or two. Not that either are likely to, either.

Another near them is Whedon. Though his problems are more in his misogyny than his depravity of humor.

Somewhat at a remove I'd put the likes of Harmon/Roiland, who have some truly vile stuff that they once generated in the name of humor. They're partially unstable semi-geniuses who have already suffered in their way for their crassness [Harmon has been fired many times from things he's been integral to or even foundational, and Roiland is nowhere near as famous as he should be. But you sense they know how ****ed up their mental processes and senses of humor are and, while they are vociferously judgmental in the politcal realm are not exclusionary in the creative realm.

When Bryan Singer goes without notice all the above seems shallow.

And as long as people put politics first (you did it so it's fair for me to!) and things like freedom of speech and forgiveness second this will just get worse.

For both sides...