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Originally Posted by Direckshun

This is plenty of good information, but we're disagreeing on the fundamental issue, here. And I've got Reid's own words to back up my side.

Under normal circumstances, you'd be correct. But everything we've read and Reid himself has said says that Reid (a.) really wanted Alex Smith, and (b.) otherwise has completely divorced himself from personnel. He came to KC and got the GM he wanted so that Reid could totally commit himself to coaching. In other words, Dorsey has final say in personnel, and takes the personnel that he wants. The roster is full of Dorsey acquisitions, not Reid acquisitions.

That said, you're dead right that Dorsey's not the one determining scheme, but he gets to determine what kind of players he wants fleshing out the scheme. Sutton may vouch for Mike DeVito, and Dorsey may act on that, but Dorsey's the top of the personnel food chain.

But it ultimately sounds like we're agreeing. It ultimately sounds like we're both saying the Chiefs want certain types of players (big-bodied TEs that can block, tall, fast corners, players with phenomenal measurables) and we're just disagreeing who determines that these players become Chiefs. I say Dorsey's pulling the strings, you say Dorsey's mostly following orders. That's fine, but we're ultimately both agreeing that there are "types" that the Chiefs like.

And I'm willing to disagree with you on another point -- most GMs do have "types" of players that they like. The Giants have certain things they like in DL, Patriots in QBs, Steelers in LBs, and so on. That's pretty uncontroversial to say.

No, we certainly are not agreeing because you can't comprehend what I'm saying.

You're assuming that I'm saying Reid is calling the shots, I'm not. You're also assuming that because of the prior assumption, that Dorsey is taking orders, he's not.

It works from the ground up, and someone as intellectual, at least in your penchant for overthinking everything, SHOULD be able to use your powers of deduction to discern the difference between the fine lines of "orders" and "logic".

If Reid and Sutton come in here saying we want to run a West Coast offense and a hybrid between the base 3-4 and the Nickel/Dime defenses, A "smart" GM uses logic to dictate his player selection. You're not going to draft pass rushing Defensive Tackles with slight frames and longer arms. You're not going to draft smaller corners with average speed but with zero strength. Why? Because they just don't FIT the defensive scheme here.

You need big body physical monsters at the DT position to occupy space and eat up double teams so you can get your Outside Linebackers into beatable matchups off the edge, and your inside guys a clear lane to fill when the runner comes up. You want solid tacklers on the edge who play more of a "hybrid" DE role here as they both need to have a quick first step, as well as enough body to leverage the tackles for run support.

This whole defensive "base" scheme we have, is designed in part, to do two things. Give DJ, Berry, +MLB2 open lanes to blow up on running downs, and give Houston/Hali 1 on 1 matchups on the edge on Passing Downs. To do this, you need Poe. He's a ****ing manbeast of a DT and EMBODIES every single bit of the position that Reid needs here. If there's ONE guy on this entire defense that truly Anchors the Defense in the mindset that Reid and Sutton want it done, its Poe and Poe above all others. Berry is a FINE piece to have, but any warm body can take his place in the 3-4, they just lack what Berry brings to the table, playmaking ability. Which is sad, because that makes Berry somewhat expendable in Suttons defense, though the mere mentioning of that word "seems" laughable because Berry is ALL WORLD good.

The second part of that, the Nickel/Dime packages that we have, require us to have absolutely stellar physical corners on the outside because the whole goal here is to take away the outside/quick release throws, and force the ball into the center of the defense. We want this to be done because of a few reaons. 1.) It puts the ball carrier right in the middle of the defense where our most prominent tacklers and playmakers are, DJ and Berry. 2.) It keeps the clock moving, ideologically, this is what we want as our plan is to play with a lead and use a very minimal, yet effective pass rush while locking down the secondary. 3.) There are, in all honesty, only 3 passing lanes to work with in the Nickel or Dime with a minimal rush using press-man coverage on the outside. With a disruptive Poe, he's going to neutralize 1 lane about 35-40% of the time, and with Hali, Houston, and Bailey on the edges with only 2 lanes to throw, this makes for "easy pickings" on negative yardage plays as the timing required to "often" make a succesful pass in those two lanes requires our outside corners to lose their receiver to the inside, where we technically want the ball. If they are succesful with their jams, delaying the release of the ball even .5 of a second, the QB will likely see pressure and hurry the throw or step up into the pocket, into Poe. What happens here is a lot of check downs and quick TE outs/screens, limiting the downfield routes. This is literally an ideal scenario for this sytem, the only downfall is that Cooper hasn't yet made the next step in his career and his confidence is shaky. When he's "on" he's honestly probably our best corner. When he's off, he's sabby piscateli bad. Unfortunately, he receives a lot of bad credit for busted plays where he's out of position, because our makeshift safeties aren't communicating well enough and they themselves have been out of position many times. I believe it was New England or Denver game where people blamed Cooper on miscue which turned into a touchdown, when in fact it was the Safety who was out of place and ended up 15 yards on the other side of his zone.


Now, bringing this back into perspective, I bring this up for one main reason. If Dorsey "had" a mold for guys he likes to draft, and he really doesn't as evidenced by his GB and KC drafts, this wouldn't bode well for ANY Coach/Coordinator as they'd be receiving talent not fit for their system, and he'd likely get ran out of town within the first two years, because he's simply not doing his job. You don't just draft talent and plug away, Pioli did that horribly. You (the GM) draft the BEST talent for the SYSTEM you play in. This is exactly why there's the old "talk" about how a New GM brings a new HC, brings a new QB when franchises turnover their staff, and it doesn't happen "just because" or because of "their guy". It happens because something as simple as a new coordinator, brings in a whole different "need' for skillsets.

This team needs BIG physical corners because of the schemes we run. This team needs MONSTER athletes at DT because of the schemes we run. This team needs Sideline to Sideline ILB's because of the schemes we run. This team needs "all around" TE's because of the schemes we run. This team needs physical "big body" receivers because of the schemes we run.

Obviously though, there's room for some exceptions, like Nickel/Dime Corners, and 1 Deep threat/Slot/Burner receiver, and 1 dynamite "3rd down" receiver TE option. Just like this offensive line doesn't need "maulers" for the ideal role Reid wants this scheme working with, though with JC, we kind of need hybrid maulers just because you "work with what you've got" and having JC means we HAVE to run the ball to be effective. If the defense knows JC is only getting a pitch count every game, we're going to lose every stinking time.

Whole point here, to reiterate again, is that Dorsey drafts to the scheme, rather well. He waiver claims/signs to the scheme pretty well too, though in all honesty, he's pretty bad at "stop gap" talent when he has a hole that needs filling via FA.

So seriously, get off this "Dorsey type" bullshit, and start thinking "Scheme type".