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Originally Posted by lardass
That is possibly one way to look at it but I tend to think if you start out at the bottom and fail to achieve, it's going to get ugly. If everything goes well, then it's likely you'd have two people who have survived a lot and can handle whatever life throws at their marriage. Unfortunately, the reality is that most relationships would probably blow up long before that point was ever reached. Well I should I say in my situation, there is only so much I have been willing to overcome before I would gladly right the whole deal off before becoming further vested. Every meaningful relationship has it's conflicts and problems but some relationships have much more challenging circumstances and greater risks. It's all about the people in the relationship, but if you arent disciplined enough to get a job and move out of your parents' home... fill in the blanks when it comes to overcoming serious conflict in a relationship.
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If things get ugly because of a failure to achieve, then obviously the marriage should not have been started in the first place. The sanctity of marriage may have been crushed into the ground and pissed on long ago, but there is still some shred of hope left for it. That hope lies within the few marriages that really can withstand anything...even then the marriage may not be one that should have been made, but at least it would be close enough to keep that last shred of hope and dignity alive.
As for the part about being disciplined, I can only agree to a small extent. If the marriage was a right marriage and founded on the right basis, then what discipline a person had before doesn't matter. For instance, if a person was extrodinarily lazy and was all of a sudden able to get up at three in the morning every day to work on a loading dock for 15 hours simply because that person was motivated enough by just being able to see one other person literally for one second a month, then there's one helluva good chance that that marriage was founded completely correctly.