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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler
You keep asking, I keep not answering.
The point, that apparently easily eludes you, is that I believe Mahomes is more responsible for the 15-3 record compared to the 11-13 record Andy had previously.
With your asinine list you appear to be making the statement that Donovan McNabb simply was not good enough to give Andy an adequate chance, despite being a top 5 passer, 3rd in yards, 4th in tds, and despite being favored to win all of those nfc title games but the one in 2001.
So apparently you know more than the odds makers at the time about the team Andy was leading.
They were good enough to run roughshod over the NFC east, get to the title game and be favored, but expecting him to deliver, well that's just a bridge too far.
How could he possibly manage the clock and balance his run and pass while turning water into wine, raising the dead and restoring sight to the blind? How many miracles does Andy have to work?
He had ferocious championship caliber Eagles teams.
He choked.
Repeatedly.
Hes had down to the wire wins with the best qb on the planet, McNabb never stood a chance in hell. Andy has football Jesus and the offensive struggles in those games are bad.
How many titles your list won without who is irrelevant.
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You kept evading the question because it was relevant. You continuously harp on Andy pre Mahomes and give all the credit to Mahomes vs Andy. I simply was asking how many of those coaches won without their HOF QB. They also benefited from the same thing Andy does.
You harp on McNabb’s numbers as some sort of testament against Andy while failing to realize that he made McNabb look better than he probably was. The NFL is littered with QBs who put up great stats but fail to perform when the lights are brightest. It’s why some of the greatest QBs ever are recognized as such. They were clutch when needed. That is not a knock on any HC, it just is what it is.
Winning SBs takes more than just the QB. It takes an elite QB (most years) and an elite HC to make it happen. Winning multiple SBs is even harder and back to back is more difficult still. It’s just stunning how much you are willing to die on this hill. Andy is one of the greatest coaches of all time no matter how much you argue that he’s not.