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Originally Posted by Fish

I guess I just disagree with the way you're intertwining the two and still saying it's not about religion. Morality is way too complicated to be reduced only to values coming from Judeo-Christian teachings. And in your instance, you're still assuming that the example person in question went to church the first 12 years of their life. Most of those values are inherent to all humans no matter where they're born.

I simply don't think religion has any place in the discussion at all, either directly or latently applied like you're doing. And I also don't think the US is any example at all to point to in regards to great morals. We're suffering from many of the same moral ills that they are. And it will get worse as population density and poverty both increase here like it has there. We're headed down that path a lot more than people realize.

Don't think of it as religion but rather a philosophy and how such philosophy came to shape our means of governance, business and social ethics and personal motivations.