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Old 04-23-2013, 02:40 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by Raiderhader View Post
Wait a minute, I keep being told this scientific FACT. So now which is it? Fact, or theory?


Once again you demonstrate your appalling lack of knowledge regarding science. How the hell are we supposed to take you seriously?

Stephen Jay Gould summed it up very nicely several decades ago:

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Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/libra...nd-theory.html

You said you would consider evolution only if I could offer you 100% undeniable proof that it occurs. I said I would consider the Biblical story of creationism if you could offer me 1/10th of 1% undeniable proof that it occurs.

Which of us is being open-minded here, and which of us is clinging fiercely to a dogmatic belief? Which of us is willing to consider the other's position with nothing to gain or lose by doing so, and which of us has been told repeatedly his entire life that his FAITH is the only thing preventing him from being tortured unmercifully and eternally by Satan?

Deeply religious people have a vested interest in keeping the faith, regardless of whether their religion is Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Wicca, or the worship of the ancient gods like Zeus and Hercules. Scientists have no vested interest in believing anything simply because some authority figure told them they must believe or they will perish. Scientists simply observe and then try to understand and explain.

And by the way, scientists are the ones who cured polio, cured many forms of cancer, developed antibiotics, discovered electricity, designed automobiles and airplanes, and got mankind out of the caves. Scientists have made our civilization possible. Without scientists, we would still be cavemen.

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