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Old 03-20-2013, 04:18 PM   #103
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/1...no-active-wmd/

New evidence: CIA and MI6 were told before invasion that Iraq had no active WMD

By Richard Norton-Taylor, The Guardian
Monday, March 18, 2013 3:21 EDT

BBC’s Panorama reveals fresh evidence that agencies dismissed intelligence from Iraq foreign minister and spy chief

Fresh evidence is revealed today about how MI6 and the CIA were told through secret channels by Saddam Hussein’s foreign minister and his head of intelligence that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction.

Tony Blair told parliament before the war that intelligence showed Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programme was “active”, “growing” and “up and running”.

A special BBC Panorama programme tonight will reveal how British and US intelligence agencies were informed by top sources months before the invasion that Iraq had no active WMD programme, and that the information was not passed to subsequent inquiries.

It describes how Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, told the CIA’s station chief in Paris at the time, Bill Murray, through an intermediary that Iraq had “virtually nothing” in terms of WMD.

Sabri said in a statement that the Panorama story was “totally fabricated”.

However, Panorama confirms that three months before the war an MI6 officer met Iraq’s head of intelligence, Tahir Habbush al-Tikriti, who also said that Saddam had no active WMD. The meeting in the Jordanian capital, Amman, took place days before the British government published its now widely discredited Iraqi weapons dossier in September 2002.
It's shocking that the Iraqi foreign minister and the Iraqi head of intelligence would tell us that Saddam didn't have WMD. How is it possible that we didn't simply accept that at face value?

And you should always be skeptical of quotes you read in articles like this because they are often misleading. (Isn't it kind of outrageous that people who are trying to convince you that the government misled you are themselves trying to do exactly that?) For example, here are a couple of quotes from the article you posted:

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Butler says of the use of intelligence: “There were ways in which people were misled or misled themselves at all stages.”

When it was suggested to him that the body that probably felt most misled of all was the British public, Butler replied: “Yes, I think they’re, they’re, they got every reason think that.”
In the documentary, those two quotes take place in the same conversation. Here's what Lord Butler says in between those two statements:

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However, I do believe that these were honest mistakes. Where not only the British intelligence community, but intelligence communities all over the world, brought themselves to a conclusion that turned out to be false.
That changes the implication of the included quotes substantially.

Here's another quote from the film:

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Blair's critics have accused him of deliberately sexing up the dossier by omitting these qualifications and including flaky intelligence.

Was Tony Blair a liar?

Butler: No, I don't believe he was a liar. I believe that when he said what he believed about Saddam Hussein, he was speaking the truth. But I think because the qualifications on the evidence weren't made clear, I think he oversold the case.
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