[Marvin49]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

And we're just saying... in a draft that doesn't have an obvious and elite talent, that has about 10-15 guys that would be mid-1st picks in most years, none that would be top 10, and about 30 that would be late-first early second, there ISN'T a reach pick.

If Geno Smith is good enough to go 15th in this draft, he's good enough to go first.

Luke Joeckel is NOT a no-doubt franchise LT. He's not Walter Jones/Orlando Pace/Jon Ogden. Heck, he's probably not even Joe Thomas or Jake Long. And he's not the clear top LT. There is less separation between Joeckel and Fisher at this time than Geno and Barkley. Hell, there's less separation between Joeckel and Lane Johnson than Geno and Barkley.

There isn't a stud pass-rusher. Everyone has warts (and bigger ones than Geno at QB - Warner is raw and not an impact guy. Jones has spinal stenosis. And Moore is not an elite athlete).

Dee Milliner is a nice CB, but he isn't Shawn Springs or even Patrick Peterson.

If JaDaveon Clowney was in this draft, sure, you draft him and don't look back. Or you find an easy trade down partner, accumulate some more picks, and draft the guy you want at a pick a little further down.

But that's not the case. Who is a team going to trade into the first spot for? Joeckel? Why do that, when you can wait 4-5 more picks and get Fisher? Milliner? Come on. He's not that type of corner.

So take the trade down off the table. It's just like the Niners... stuck at 7 with Aldon Smith. Take the guy you want, who you know won't be there later, and don't look back.

The Chiefs don't NEED at OT or an OL, period. They have a strong, young offensive line that can all be retained easily. They don't NEED an OLB (two Pro Bowl players at that position, one locked in long-term and one young and cheap).

The only pick that makes sense and holds VALUE is QB.

OK. I'll give you that.

If nobody stands out from the crowd than maybe it isn't as big a reach as I'm thinking. I think in the perfect world tho the Chiefs should trade out of that pick. They may have to accept less than perfect value for it.

Failing that...if nobody is head and shoulders above him then you have a point. There are a few guys up there tho that I'd much rather have.