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Originally Posted by Barret

I had a couple of questions about the Film. I am unsure if this will come off wrong but I am wondering if it is a Disney Influence.

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Can anyone name for me a positive male role model in this that does not need to be helped by a female? The Disney reference here is Princesses having the power.

I mean lets go...Finn was about to get in an escape pod and get the hell out of dodge but is put on the right path by Rose. Also is saved later when he was going to stop the big weapon by Rose.

Poe is the hot shot gunner who get slapped and demoted by Leia and gets talked to about leaderships skills by Leia. He also is put in Check by Admiral Holdo or whatever her name is.

Luke?? He wants to die on a Planet and is coerced to come out by Rey and the Hologram of Leia from New Hope.

Lets flip the script a bit. Can you name any female that is a bad character in this film? Phasma Doesn't count since you don't see her out of the full armor.

Strong Female characters are good but just like the force there needs to be Balance. Such as why not Keep Admiral Akbar around to do the suicide shot into the Devastator? People know Akbar from ROTJ and the Comics. His death was wasted and this would have had more meaning and have some feeling to it. Who the hell is Admiral Holdo anyway besides a Friend of Leia's??

Other stupid crap: Why should I even give a crap about Snoke? No explanation. How did he target Ben? what was his motivations or what is he doing??? Oh who cares lets kill him off. Maybe I will have to read some stupid book to get an update on that.

Phasma was built up and is a waste.

Lukes death was I think a waste but I have heard some people drawing a comparison to Obi wan and Yoda stating that they accomplished their mission and could die in peace. Not sure I believe that but ok whatever.

Rey's Parentage. Really, she is a nobody? ok well thanks for the build up and the "secrecy" behind it. Who cares?? Maybe this will be fixed in Episode 9 where we find out Ben was lying or something.

Hope that doesn't come off as Woman bashing or whatever. I think Rey is a good character and is played really well by Daisy Ridley. Think she gained force powers a little to quickly. Also liked Leias character minus the Mary Poppins bit.

I don't think strong women's roles is necessarily a Disney influence so much as it is a societal influence. Woman, black guy, Asian girl... it's just smart to check all the boxes and avoid the headache of the inevitable bad press. I like your suggestions above though for the admirable.

Spoiler!

I actually really liked the deal with Rey's parents. JJ may flip-flop it around in the next one though, but for me, it was refreshing and unexpected. And they way driver delivered that line was perfect. The whole movie was about things "not going the way you expect". This was true for Rey too as her whole life she'd been waiting for her family to return when the reality was far different. It was a gut punch and it was delivered perfectly.