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Evidence made available to the public.
It doesnt sound like you are disagreeing with anything I said, just wondering how I know. All of this is common knowledge at this point, but if there is a part of my post you disagree with, than CLEARLY let me know. I really dont feel like walking you through this when its readily available via a simple google search.
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I find your confidence in these paranoid, blame-America theories of yours fascinating. I was curious how you come by it. I disagree with your entire theory.
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Little Boy used against Hiroshima, was the first KNOWN deployment of an atomic bomb. Could another country have secretly acquired and deployed one first? sure, but their is no evidence of that and the idea is nearly statistically improbable.
That is the same with cyberweapons deployed by Operation Olympic Games.
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Cyber warfare is often a bit more subtle than a nuclear bomb. It would be tough to miss news of a nuclear bomb detonation, but cyber attacks don't make the same splash if they're even disclosed publicly.
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you are going to be hard pressed to find a deployment of a cyberweapon by a nation state before that time frame.
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It took me one google search to find this
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A 2008 article in the Culture Mandala: The Bulletin of the Centre for East-West Cultural and Economic Studies by Jason Fritz alleges that the Chinese government from 1995 to 2008 was involved in a number of high profile cases of espionage, primarily through the use of a "decentralized network of students, business people, scientists, diplomats, and engineers from within the Chinese Diaspora".[28] A defector in Belgium, purportedly an agent, claimed that there were hundreds of spies in industries throughout Europe, and on his defection to Australia Chinese diplomat Chen Yonglin said there were over 1,000 such in that country. In 2007, a Russian executive was sentenced to 11 years for passing information about the rocket and space technology organization to China. Targets in the United States have included ‘aerospace engineering programs, space shuttle design, C4ISR data, high-performance computers, Nuclear weapon design, cruise missile data, semiconductors, integrated circuit design, and details of US arms sales to Taiwan’.[28]
While China continues to be held responsible for a string of cyber-attacks on a number of public and private institutions in the United States, India, Russia, Canada, and France, the Chinese government denies any involvement in cyber-spying campaigns. The administration maintains the position that China is not the threat but rather the victim of an increasing number of cyber-attacks. Most reports about China's cyber warfare capabilities have yet to be confirmed by the Chinese government.[29]
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I know I won't convince you of anything here, but I definitely think your theory that the US opened a pandora's box that hadn't previously been opened with Stuxnet is wrong and I think the information you rely on for your confidence is feeble. I'm sure that in the end, we'll just have to agree to disagree again.