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RunKC 02-07-2013 10:16 AM

Kiper/McShay new mocks 2/7
 
Kiper has JOKEl

http://es.pn/WCPjRI

And McShay managed to make an even worse pick

http://es.pn/WCPrk4

Swell work, assholes. And people pay for this shit.

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Pestilence 02-07-2013 10:18 AM

Kiper:

At this point the Chiefs could be weighing at least a handful of players for this spot, if they stay here. As of now, at No. 1, a quarterback shouldn't be in the mix. So I think fans needs to consider that K.C. could be looking to secure the best available player here, period. From there, they either consider a QB with their first pick in Round 2, or perhaps the option of trading into the late first to mazimize value. As for Joeckel, at this time he probably represents the best guaranteed production on the pick value. A gifted technician at left tackle, he is already capable of handling good NFL pass-rushers, and could hold down the position for 10 years. Regardless, the Chiefs will be thinking about total draft value and strategy, not just a single pick here.

McShay:

The biggest question at the top is whether the Chiefs think highly enough of any of the 2013 quarterback prospects to go in that direction with this pick. The second question is whether OT Branden Albert will return to Kansas City. Assuming the answers to those questions are no and yes, respectively, Lotulelei makes most sense. The Chiefs have a need for a 5-technique (DE) in their 3-4 scheme, and he is an ideal fit. Lotulelei has great size and natural tools, especially strength, but he is not just a space-eater. He makes plays versus the run and can help collapse the pocket as an inside power rusher.

Pestilence 02-07-2013 10:18 AM

What's that? 3rd overall pick wasn't high enough for a 3-4 DE? Take one at #1....THAT'LL ****ING SHOW 'EM!


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Nightfyre 02-07-2013 10:23 AM

McShay assumes we need a 5-tech. Bad assumption.

the Talking Can 02-07-2013 10:24 AM

i'd rather be throat banged by blackbob's uncle than live with those picks....

KC_Lee 02-07-2013 10:32 AM

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SNR 02-07-2013 10:36 AM

The biggest question at the top is whether the Chiefs think highly enough of any of the 2009 2013 quarterback prospects to go in that direction with this pick. The second question is whether OT Branden Albert will return to Kansas City. Assuming the answers to those questions are no and yes, respectively, Tyson Jackson Lotulelei makes most sense. The Chiefs have a need for a 5-technique (DE) in their 3-4 scheme, and he is an ideal fit. Jackson Lotulelei has great size and natural tools, especially strength, but he is not just a space-eater. He makes plays versus the run and can help collapse the pocket as an inside power rusher.



McShay's not even ****ing trying.

Deberg_1990 02-07-2013 10:54 AM

Its going to be very interesting to see what the Chiefs do at QB. IMO the veteran QB market is pretty thin. There will be mass suicides around here if we get A Smith or Flynn. But it sounds like nobody has a clue what the Chiefs will do.

Messier 02-07-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9384566)
The biggest question at the top is whether the Chiefs think highly enough of any of the 2009 2013 quarterback prospects to go in that direction with this pick. The second question is whether OT Branden Albert will return to Kansas City. Assuming the answers to those questions are no and yes, respectively, Tyson Jackson Lotulelei makes most sense. The Chiefs have a need for a 5-technique (DE) in their 3-4 scheme, and he is an ideal fit. Jackson Lotulelei has great size and natural tools, especially strength, but he is not just a space-eater. He makes plays versus the run and can help collapse the pocket as an inside power rusher.



McShay's not even ****ing trying.

At least Lotulelei is considered a top pick, Jackson was a late first round value. Not saying draft Lotulelei, just that he's not Jackson. That said, drafting a 3-4 end #1 is like drafting a G #1.

SNR 02-07-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9384687)
At least Lotulelei is considered a top pick, Jackson was a late first round value. Not saying draft Lotulelei, just that he's not Jackson. That said, drafting a 3-4 end #1 is like drafting a G #1.

Yeah. I seem to remember all of Jackson's scouting reports from 2009 saying the exact same thing that McShay just said about Lotulelei. Stuff like, "great size and natural tools" and "can help collapse the pocket as an inside rusher." Which, btw, was a total ****ing lie in the case of Jackson.

In general, the Chiefs have tried generating pass rush on the line for years with guys that play the 3-tech in the 4-3, expecting them to get pressure by "collapsing the pocket." Against great QBs in the modern NFL, you don't have any time to collapse a pocket. That's why we are terrible against great QB'd teams with our DL ever since we switched to the 3-4.

Messier 02-07-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9384694)
Yeah. I seem to remember all of Jackson's scouting reports from 2009 saying the exact same thing that McShay just said about Lotulelei. Stuff like, "great size and natural tools" and "can help collapse the pocket as an inside rusher." Which, btw, was a total ****ing lie in the case of Jackson.

And all mocks and player rankings had him in the teens and twenties.

Pestilence 02-07-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9384694)
Yeah. I seem to remember all of Jackson's scouting reports from 2009 saying the exact same thing that McShay just said about Lotulelei. Stuff like, "great size and natural tools" and "can help collapse the pocket as an inside rusher." Which, btw, was a total ****ing lie in the case of Jackson.

In general, the Chiefs have tried generating pass rush on the line for years with guys that play the 3-tech in the 4-3, expecting them to get pressure by "collapsing the pocket." Against great QBs in the modern NFL, you don't have any time to collapse a pocket. That's why we are terrible against great QB'd teams with our DL ever since we switched to the 3-4.

Just a couple.

Quote:

Tyson Jackson Scouting Report:
LSU's Tyson Jackson is a big defensive end who could potentially play defensive tackle as well in the NFL. At his size, he's an every-down player who holds up exceptionally well against the run yet is still a solid pass rusher. He also has good strength, has a solid motor, and plays with a little bit of a mean streak.

Jackson is quick for his size, and comes off the edge surprisingly well. He has a nice long wing span that he uses to keep defenders from getting inside on him. He does have a tendency at times, though, of playing too high and letting blockers get into his chest.

He does have a lot of experience as a starter, has good leadership skills, and has been durable throughout his college career. As well as fitting in as either a left end or an under tackle in a 4-3 defense, Jackson would be ideal playing end in a 3-4 set.
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Jackson showed flashes of what was to come as a freshman, when he had 13 tackles, two for loss, and two sacks in reserve action. As a sophomore, he earned all SEC honors when he finished the season with 37 tackles, ten for loss, 8.5 sacks, and an interception. Bigger things were expected as a junior, and while he still had a fine season, the stats didnít show it. He finished the season with 36 tackles, 4.5 for loss, and 3.5 sacks on the year. Jacksonís numbers were very similar as a senior, when he finished with 34 tackles, 8.5 for loss, and 4.5 sacks.

Strengths

Jackson brings a lot of versatility to the defensive line. He has the size and all around skill to impact the game in a lot of ways. He has an impressive set of tools, starting with excellent size for a defensive end. He is also a good athlete and can provide pressure on the quarterback on the edge. What sets him apart as an end though, is his run stopping ability. This may make him an ideal fit for a 3-4 defense, because he is stout at the point of attack and can really clog running lanes. Jackson could play end in a 4-3 or 3-4 alignment, but may also be able to shift inside in a 4-3. That type of versatility is going to ensure Jackson gets a lot of attention as the draft approaches, because he can fit any team that has a hole along the defensive line.

Weaknesses

For a traditional defense end, Jackson may lack the explosive athleticism and quickness to be a consistent threat off the edge. His pass rush ability at the college level has a lot to do with his natural strength and ability to control the lineman, then use his athleticism to get into the backfield. In the NFL, he will not have such a physical advantage and will have to learn new ways to apply pressure.

Future

For a team in need of a 3-4 end, Jackson may be the ideal fit. He is a standout at holding his ground, taking on blocks and stopping the run. He could bring above average penetration skills for a 3-4 end also. He can also fill holes in the 4-3, but fills a more specific role in a 3-4 alignment. He is the top player available in that role, so he really could go anywhere from the early teens to the end of the first based on the team drafting.
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Strengths: Nice height and strength ... Consistent production ... Athletic enough to beat and pursue ... Strong at the point of attack ... Displays a great rip move ... Gets low, uses hands well on bull rush ... Disciplined player who plays within the scheme; does not get out of control or take himself out of the play ... Gets hands up and bats down passes ... Anchor against the run ... Draws double teams occasionally ... Versatile as a 4-3 left defensive end, or an athletic 5-technique.

Weaknesses: Does not get much explosion off the snap ... Sometimes gets too high ... Did not play his best in big games ... Does not show much range ... Questionable instincts ... Needs to have more of a motor ... Does not present a high upside.

Summary: Jackson is a talented player, but he leaves some effort on the field and that worries me. He could go to a team lacking a powerful left defensive end, or to a team looking for a 5-technique to anchor the run. Like most, I have mixed views on Jackson as a prospect, and that puts him in the very low first round to second round.

Player Comparison: Ty Warren. Warren is a tough 5-technique for the Patriots, but not much of a pass rusher. Jackson loses some pass rush ability in the 3-4 scheme, but it all depends on how he is utilized, like Warren.

Messier 02-07-2013 11:59 AM

Yeah. Its what I thought, they're more bullish on Lotulelei than they were on Jackson.

BossChief 02-07-2013 12:36 PM

I'd rather get raped by a stick of lit dynamite than go with either of those mocks.

bowener 02-07-2013 01:17 PM

Jesus ****ing Christ. When, in recent history, has the draft ever shaped up to look like this? All Oline/Dline at the top of the draft?


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