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tomahawk kid 10-27-2014 01:19 PM

I had a feeling that kid would end up playing a significant role in Nucky's ulimate outcome.

duncan_idaho 10-27-2014 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid (Post 11059955)
I had a feeling that kid would end up playing a significant role in Nucky's ulimate outcome.

I had him tabbed as Nucky's killer (after all, any time they've spent a season showing flashbacks of a main character as a younger person, that character has died in the finale - Jimmy, Harrow and now Nucky), but I thought he was an inside man for Murder, Inc.

Tribal Warfare 10-27-2014 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11059751)
The show lost a lot once the charismatic presence of Michael Pitt left the show.

http://uproxx.com/tv/2013/12/evidenc...ass-hollywood/

cosmo20002 10-27-2014 01:46 PM

I was wondering why they felt the need to go back to the Gillian story, because I was sick of her a while ago. I guess now we know. Good way of explaining how Nucky came to be what he came to be.

The young adult Nucky did a good Steve Buschemi impression, but WTF was with those teeth? They barely could fit in his mouth. They were just hilariously ridiculous. I mean, Bushemi's teeth are crooked, but they're not gargantuan-makes-Elway's-teeth-look-tiny teeth.

duncan_idaho 10-27-2014 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 11059982)

That's a damn shame. Pitt is phenomenally talented. He's one of those actors/actresses who can just soak up the screen/dominate the screen without making it seem like he's trying hard.

It's a damn shame for the show, too. I think Boardwalk Empire would have been a much better and more complete story had Jimmy been part of it the entire way.

Just thinking about it, there are so many interesting things they could have done with it. How cool would it have been to see Jimmy working with Lucciano and Lansky to take control of everything? Or working with Capone to try to help Nucky address Murder, Inc.

lewdog 10-27-2014 09:01 PM

I wish they had explored the relationship between Capone and his deaf son more. Playing off the love he had for those close to him with the scenes of his awful acts. I remember the very emotional scene when Capone and his wife finally realized in their kitchen that their son is deaf. One of the most moving scenes of the entire series.

I think we all knew Nucky was gonna get it but I did not see by who. I think it was a fitting way to see the relationship of the Commodore and Gillian throughout those first seasons, and tie that in to how Nucky "made" his way.

Great show.

GloucesterChief 10-27-2014 09:23 PM

I liked how the scenes after the Jimmy, Richard, and Nucky show their characters.

Jimmy's last scene was him going over the wall in WWI. Jimmy never really left the war and the way it changed his personality.

Richard's last scene was him coming home unscarred. He found peace and left WWI behind him.

Nucky's last scene is his younger self finally catching a coin. It shows his character never really evolved from grasping for money.

lewdog 10-27-2014 09:30 PM

I just did some light reading on Capone and he dealt with Syphilitic Dementia in his late 30's. I never knew you could get Dementia from Syphilis? In his early 40's he had the cognitive capacity of a 12 year old. Wow.

Interesting.

jjjayb 10-28-2014 08:17 AM

Wow. Just watched the last episode last night. I didn't realize it was the last one, so the ending was a bit of a shock. Great show.

duncan_idaho 10-28-2014 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 11061280)
I liked how the scenes after the Jimmy, Richard, and Nucky show their characters.

Jimmy's last scene was him going over the wall in WWI. Jimmy never really left the war and the way it changed his personality.

Richard's last scene was him coming home unscarred. He found peace and left WWI behind him.

Nucky's last scene is his younger self finally catching a coin. It shows his character never really evolved from grasping for money.

Good points.

Most of the time, I just enjoyed the show (with the occasional horrified glance during a particularly brutal scene, like when Eli beat that guy down in his workshop). Realizing that Richard Harrow was, in fact, actually dead hit me very deeply and emotionally.

I also like how the whole cycle of terrible events that happened to characters we like all ties back to Nucky making a decision to kill his soul to win the commodore's trust and approval, which eventually kills his body, too.

Nucky gives Gilllian to the Commodore, who knocks her up. This damages Gillian irreparably.

Gillian eventually takes drunken advantage of Jimmy as an adult (probably after years of inappropriate behavior with him growing up). This damages Jimmy irreparably, leading him to go to war and come back even more of a shell.

Jimmy, because he's a shell, comes back and starts trying to find ways to "fill" or "satisfy" himself. But the one man who can pull him out of it - his true father figure, Nucky, is so pissed at the decision Jimmy made to join the army, he pushes him away. This leads to Jimmy betraying Nucky, winning, not knowing what to do from that point forward, and eventually dying.

And, finally, Jimmy's son Tommy - damaged by the death/disappearance of his father and mother, time spent under his grandmother's wing, witnessing multiple people gunned down in the brothel, the disappearance of his surrogate dad, Richard - empties the clip into Nucky.

Nice storytelling.

One final side note:
I have to wonder if Jimmy's famous line "I told you, you can't be half a gangster, Nuck..." was originally intended to be the final line of the series as he, in league with Luciano and Lansky, dealt with Nucky finally and personally. Rather than the other way around...

BigRedChief 11-07-2014 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 11062038)
Wow. Just watched the last episode last night. I didn't realize it was the last one, so the ending was a bit of a shock. Great show.

They did a good job with following the history timeline But Nucky was not gunned down in real life. It's fiction, but still why kill him off?

This season paled be comparison to the other seasons. Season 1 was off the charts and it went downhill from there.


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