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KC native 03-12-2013 11:47 PM

*****Official Formula 1 Thread*******
 
Everyone else gets an official thread, so I want one too.

I've seen several people make mentions of F1 on here. So, I'm giving us a thread. No more Speed bs coverage. NBC looks like they are taking it serious and will have some good coverage.

With DVRs now, it's no longer a pain in the ass to watch the races. So watch them and discuss

And if you don't watch F1. You suck. Best racing on the planet.

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Following is this week’s coverage schedule for the Rolex Australian Grand Prix on NBC Sports Network:

Date Program Time Network
Friday, March 15 Practice #1 12:00 a.m. NBC Sports Network
Friday, March 15 Practice #2 1:30 a.m. NBC Sports Network
Sat., March 16 Qualifying 2 a.m. NBC Sports Network
Sat., March 16 Qualifying Re-Air 1:30 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sunday, March 17 Australian Grand Prix 1:30 a.m. NBC Sports Network
Sunday, March 17 F1 Extra 4 a.m. NBC Sports Network
Sunday, March 17 Race Re-Air 1 p.m. NBC Sports Network
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More practice times for the entire season can be found here.

2013 FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULE (Subject to change, all times ET):

Date Grand Prix Time Re-Air (NBCSN) Network
Sun., March 17 Australia 1:30 a.m. 1 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., March 24 Malaysia 3:30 a.m. 3 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., April 14 China 2:30 a.m. 1 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., April 21 Bahrain 7:30 a.m. Noon NBC Sports Network
Sun., May 12 Spain 7:30 a.m. 2 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., May 26 Monaco 7:30 a.m. 10:30 a.m. NBC
Sun., June 9 Canada 2 p.m. 7 p.m. NBC
Sun., June 30 United Kingdom 7:30 a.m. Noon CNBC
Sun., July 7 Germany 7:30 a.m. Noon CNBC
Sun., July 28 Hungary 7:30 a.m. 1 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., Aug. 25 Belgium 7:30 a.m. Midnight NBC Sports Network
Sun., Sept. 8 Italy 7:30 a.m. 1 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., Sept. 22 Singapore 7:30 a.m. 1:30 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., Oct. 6 Korea 1:30 a.m. 4 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., Oct. 13 Japan 1:30 a.m. 1 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., Oct. 27 India 5:00 a.m. 1 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., Nov. 3 Abu Dhabi 7:30 a.m. 6 p.m. NBC Sports Network
Sun., Nov. 17 USA (Austin) 1 p.m. 6 p.m. NBC
Sun., Nov. 24 Brazil 11 a.m. 4:30 p.m. NBC

KC native 03-12-2013 11:48 PM

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F1 Primer: The teams and cars

The F1 rules have been largely stable since 2009. The current generation of cars use 2.4-liter V8 engines which produce around 750bhp.

This is enhanced by the addition of a Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS). This is basically a hybrid engine which gives drivers an extra 80bhp for up to 6.6 seconds per lap.

Another acronym which comes up often in F1 is DRS. The Drag Reduction System was introduced in 2011 to increase overtaking. It allows a driver to lower his rear wing and increase his top speed, but only on designated parts of the circuit and only when they’re within a second of the car in front.

F1′s engine specification has been ‘frozen’ for several years. That has led teams to focus on the aerodynamics of their cars as the best way of improving performance. And the undoubted masters of that at the moment are Red Bull.

Technical director Adrian Newey has been a key part of the team’s dominance of the past three seasons. His unending quest for performance has brought Red Bull in conflict with the sport’s rule makers on several occasions.

A team with the passion and heritage of Ferrari needs no introduction. They are the only outfit who’ve participated in every season of the world championship since its inauguration in 1950.

They wield immense political clout within the sport and their impatience at going four years without any championship silverware is clearly growing.

McLaren’s status as one of the sport’s top teams is belied by the fact that they haven’t won the constructors’ championship for 15 years. Their relationship with engine supplier Mercedes, which began in 1995, appears to be in its twilight phase.

Mercedes returned to F1 as a full factory team in 2010 but have only won one race since. The hiring of Lewis Hamilton from McLaren this year is a clear signal of their intentions.

The Lotus name appears in F1 but it is no longer connected to the sports car maker. The team which was known as Renault until last year have won championships before and are dark horse contenders for success this year.

Sauber mark the 20th anniversary of their arrival in F1 this year. The independent team owned by Peter Sauber is now run by F1′s first female team principal, Monisha Kaltenborn. Fellow independents Williams have multiple championships to their name and ended an eight-year winless streak last season.

Force India has two home races per year: the Indian Grand Prix and the British Grand Prix, the latter held at Silverstone circuit outside their factory gates.

The role of Toro Rosso in F1 is as a junior team for Red Bull who use it to evaluate potential drivers of the future.

There is room for 26 cars in Formula One at present, but only 22 of the spaces are filled. Three new teams entered F1 in 2010 but one of those, HRT, collapsed during the winter. Only Caterham and Marussia remain, and they are yet to score a point in three years.

KC native 03-12-2013 11:49 PM

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The Formula One world championship is contested by 22 of the best drivers from around the world.

The champions

Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel (Germany) is shooting for a four consecutive drivers’ championship title, which has only been done twice before in the sport’s 63-year history.

Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso (Spain) is among those trying to stop him. Since winning the 2005 and 2006 titles Alonso has come within a whisker of three more championships in 2007, 2010 and 2012.

Lewis Hamilton has turned his back on the McLaren team which propelled him into F1 and to the 2008 title, and taken over from Schumacher at Mercedes. Fellow Briton Jenson Button, Hamilton’s successor as champion in 2009, remains at McLaren.

And finally there’s Lotus’s enigmatic Kimi Raikkonen (Finland) who won last year on his return from a two-year lay-off which included rally and NASCAR appearances.

Race winners

Mark Webber (Australia) and Felipe Massa (Brazil) have the unenviable task of partnering two of F1′s top talents, Vettel and Alonso respectively.

Nico Rosberg (Germany) and Pastor Maldonado (Venezuela) scored their breakthrough Grand Prix victories last year. Rosberg, son of 1982 world champion Keke, is yet to establish himself as a regular front-runner, and faces a stern challenge from Hamilton this year.

Maldonado’s win was one of few high points in a season which saw too many incidents. The same can be said of Romain Grosjean (France), who was quick but too incident-prone in 2012.

Up-and-comers

One of the most interesting storylines ahead of the 2013 season is how Sergio Perez (Mexico) will fare having been promoted to McLaren in Hamilton’s place.

Another one to watch is Nico Hulkenberg (Germany), who led 30 laps of last year’s season finale in an unfancied Force India. He’s moved to Sauber, and is tipped as a future Ferrari driver.

His fellow German Adrian Sutil returns to F1 following a one-year absence. He is reunited at Force India with 2011 team mate Paul di Resta (Britain), which promises to be an absorbing intra-team battle.

Red Bull junior drivers Jean-Eric Vergne (France) and Daniel Ricciardo (Australia) remain at their junior team Toro Rosso for a second year, bidding for a chance to join the senior team. Sophomore driver Charles Pic (France) moves from Marussia to tail-end rivals Caterham.

Rookies

Five new drivers arrive in the sport this year. You can read more about them in this earlier article:

Bugeater 03-12-2013 11:55 PM

Schedule in the OP would be helpful. I don't normally watch this but I'd be willing to check it out if I had a clue when it was on.

KurtCobain 03-12-2013 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9491988)
Schedule in the OP would be helpful. I don't normally watch this but I'd be willing to check it out if I had a clue when it was on.

You should've started this thing then.

Bugeater 03-13-2013 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by something cooler (Post 9491995)
You should've started this thing then.

I'm not THAT interested in it.

KurtCobain 03-13-2013 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9492000)
I'm not THAT interested in it.

I don't even know how I got in this ****ing thread.

Bugeater 03-13-2013 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by something cooler (Post 9492004)
I don't even know how I got in this ****ing thread.

That generally happens when you click on the thread title on the front page. So ya gonna watch some F1 or not

KC native 03-13-2013 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9491988)
Schedule in the OP would be helpful. I don't normally watch this but I'd be willing to check it out if I had a clue when it was on.

Added. Didn't even think of that.

Bugeater 03-13-2013 12:23 AM

Shit, when you said NBC I thought you meant network NBC. I don't think I have NBC Sports Network.

Dylan 03-13-2013 12:30 AM

NBC Sports Group has signed a four-year deal with Formula One for the exclusive U.S. media rights to the world's most popular global motorsports series.

The deal that begins next season will air four races on NBC. The remaining 16 races, and all practices and qualifying sessions will be on cable NBC Sports Network in what's expected to total more than 100 hours of annual programming.

All 20 races will be live streamed on NBC Sports Live Extra, the NBC Sports Group’s live-stream platform that is available online at NBCSports.com as well as on mobile and tablet apps.

“We are thrilled to add the top international open-wheel racing series to our already-strong motorsports portfolio,” said Jon Miller, President, Programming, NBC Sports and NBC Sports Network. “Formula 1 is a perfect fit for the NBC Sports Group as it provides content across three platforms — broadcast, cable and digital — for nine months a year with more than 100 hours of premier programming annually.”

The 2013 F1 Grand Prix schedule includes 20 races in 19 countries from March through November, including the Austin, Texas, race on Sunday, Nov. 17 on NBC. The 2013 season begins on Sunday, March 17 in Australia on NBC Sports Network and concludes on Sunday, Nov. 24 in Brazil on NBC. NBC’s first race will be the Grand Prix of Canada, which will be broadcast on Sunday, June 9. The famed Grand Prix of Monaco is scheduled for Sunday, May 26, on NBC Sports Network.

“NBC and its various media assets have a huge profile throughout the United States, and I am obviously delighted to have concluded this agreement. I feel that they will promote Formula One to a level not seen before in the United States,” said Bernie Ecclestone, Formula One Group CEO. “I very much look forward to working with NBC. Together, we will endeavor to broaden the scope of Formula One coverage available to U.S. viewers incorporating additional digital content in particular that has not been available before.”

Cable network Speed had been the U.S. rights holder to F1 for the last 17 years, but told The Associated Press on Friday it had been outbid by another network.

Dylan 03-13-2013 12:31 AM

F1
Friday, March 15 Practice #1 12:00 a.m. NBC Sports Network
Friday, March 15 Practice #2 1:30 a.m. NBC Sports Network

Sat., March 16 Qualifying 2 a.m. NBC Sports Network
Sat., March 16 Qualifying Re-Air 1:30 p.m. NBC Sports Network

Sunday, March 17 Australian Grand Prix 1:30 a.m. NBC Sports Network
Sunday, March 17 F1 Extra 4 a.m. NBC Sports Network
Sunday, March 17 Race Re-Air 1 p.m. NBC Sports Network

HIChief 03-13-2013 02:54 AM

I started watching F1 last season. There were some real good races that went right down to the wire. You never knew who was going to win, what with tires and fuel management being major factors. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this season, especially if the Chiefs lay another egg. And, thanks for posting the schedule.

KC native 03-13-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HIChief (Post 9492130)
I started watching F1 last season. There were some real good races that went right down to the wire. You never knew who was going to win, what with tires and fuel management being major factors. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this season, especially if the Chiefs lay another egg. And, thanks for posting the schedule.

No problem. Last season was awesome. I think we're in for something similar due to the planned tire degradation making most of the races 2 stoppers at least.

KC native 03-13-2013 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9492045)
Shit, when you said NBC I thought you meant network NBC. I don't think I have NBC Sports Network.

If you have cable/sat and have ESPN and Foxsports you should have it.

KurtCobain 03-13-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9492023)
That generally happens when you click on the thread title on the front page. So ya gonna watch some F1 or not

Probably.

KC native 03-13-2013 11:30 AM

If any of you have the chance to attend the US race this year, do it. I went to the innuagral race last year and it was a blast. They had everything really well organized. Should only get better.

alpha_omega 03-13-2013 11:45 AM

Dig it...I am a F1 fan. I will be watching this thread.

This is the best racing on the planet (and now on the Planet).

KC native 03-15-2013 10:16 AM

Wooooooooooooooo Getting closer.
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nfiniti Red Bull Racing’s Sebastian Vettel topped the time sheets in the second Friday practice session for the Australian Grand Prix.

Vettel, who was also quickest in first practice, set the pace with an afternoon lap time of 1m25.908s, 0.264 seconds ahead of the team mate Mark Webber.

Mercedes’ Nico Rosberg finished third despite hitting problems in the final minutes of the session, which resulted in both Rosberg and Hamilton stopping on track with a suspected gearbox failure.

As expected, tyre degradation played a factor in the afternoon practice session, causing a late-session spin for Webber who slid sideways and backwards down the track after losing grip on the exit of Turn 13. Lap times on the short runs also dropped off dramatically after the first flying laps.

Results for the Friday practice sessions are as follows:

Pos. No. Driver Car Best lap Gap Laps
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull – Renault 1’25.908 33
2 2 Mark Webber Red Bull – Renault 1’26.172 0.264 31
3 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’26.322 0.414 26
4 7 Kimi Raikkonen Lotus – Renault 1’26.361 0.453 38
5 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus – Renault 1’26.680 0.772 32
6 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’26.748 0.840 35
7 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1’26.772 0.864 28
8 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’26.855 0.947 32
9 15 Adrian Sutil Force India – Mercedes 1’27.435 1.527 35
10 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber – Ferrari 1’28.187 2.279 34
11 5 Jenson Button McLaren 1’28.294 2.386 30
12 14 Paul di Resta Force India – Mercedes 1’28.311 2.403 37
13 6 Sergio Perez McLaren 1’28.566 2.658 33
14 19 Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso – Ferrari 1’28.627 2.719 31
15 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber – Ferrari 1’28.772 2.864 33
16 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams – Renault 1’28.852 2.944 36
17 18 Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso – Ferrari 1’28.968 3.060 36
18 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams – Renault 1’29.386 3.478 39
19 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia – Cosworth 1’29.696 3.788 32
20 20 Charles Pic Caterham – Renault 1’30.165 4.257 37
21 23 Max Chilton Marussia – Cosworth 1’30.600 4.692 36
22 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham – Renault 1’32.450 6.542 11

BlackHelicopters 03-15-2013 10:28 AM

Do naked women drive the cars?

KC native 03-15-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9501665)
Do naked women drive the cars?

Nope but damn near naked women stand by them before the race.

Demonpenz 03-15-2013 11:46 AM

It is a nice change of pace because nascar is in the stoneage as far as technoligy is concerned.

KC native 03-16-2013 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9501996)
It is a nice change of pace because nascar is in the stoneage as far as technoligy is concerned.

Holy shit. Is that a serious demonpenz post?

KC native 03-16-2013 12:08 AM

Qualifying is on NOW.

alpha_omega 03-16-2013 09:23 PM

Looking forward to it. DVR set...watching it in the morning.

Dylan 03-17-2013 12:40 AM

I would like to see Vittel make a pass on Sutil - or did he give up that idea?


Live Streaming:

http://www.coolsport.tv/stream7.html

Dylan 03-17-2013 01:06 AM

Wow. Kimi might have advantage unless his car fails.

I like Kimi - He is the epitome of awesome. The guy is simply a massive driving talent. He gets into any car, is instinctive and gets up to speed with everything quicker than anyone else. Kimi was on his way to NASCAR last year.

Where are the F1 lovers - sleeping? LOL

Dylan 03-17-2013 01:13 AM

Wow. Alonso is FLYING. I hope he doesn't pass Kimi!

Kimi is leading

Edit: What a move by Hamilton. Passes Sutil (for 5th). I'm not sure if their tires will hold up.

This race was over when Kimi passed Hamilton in the first couple of laps.

3 to go... Let's go Kimi - Hold off Alonso

KIMI WON!

Brilliant performance by the 'Iceman.'

Great job Lotus.

Dylan 03-17-2013 02:25 AM

Kimi Raikkonen wins season-opening Australian Grand Prix

http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2...33-620x414.jpg

Raikkonen held off Ferrari's Fernando Alonso of Spain and German Red Bull
world champion Sebastian Vettel at the chequered flag. Raikkonen coasted
to the finish line and beat Alonso by 12.4secs with Vettel a further 9.8secs
away in third.


http://images.theage.com.au/2013/03/...en-620x349.jpg

alpha_omega 03-17-2013 07:05 AM

Great race. Congrats to Lotus.

KC native 03-17-2013 08:37 PM

Kimi is a beast. I loved his radio communcation at the end of the race "SeeItoldyouguyswehadagreatcar"

Championship should be real interesting. Ferrari is starting fast. Red Bull is in their usual form. And Lotus has come out swinging. Raikonnen has a real shot at the driver's championship. Even Mercedes had a good pace. If they get their electrical and gearbox demons figured out quick, Lew Hamilton will be up there too.

Demonpenz 03-17-2013 09:21 PM

Good race. Wheel to wheel start was better action than I have seen in awhile out of F1. Cars looked good..track looked good...good show.

KC native 03-23-2013 08:56 PM

Malaysia starts tonight at 2:30 AM.


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Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel beat the Ferrari drivers to take pole position in a rain-affected qualifying session for the Malaysian Grand Prix.

The world champion was nearly a second quicker than Felipe Massa, who edged out team-mate Fernando Alonso with the last lap of the session.

Mercedes drivers Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg were fourth and sixth, split by Red Bull's Mark Webber.

Lotus's Kimi Raikkonen was seventh ahead of McLaren's Jenson Button.
Raikkonen was later given a three-place grid penalty for impeding Rosberg and dropped down to 10th place, behind Button, Force India's Adrian Sutil and McLaren's Sergio Perez.

Vettel and the two Ferrari drivers were the three final cars to cross the line in a session that started in the rain and dried throughout, but always stayed too wet for 'slick' dry-weather tyres.

Alonso was first to cross the line, displacing Hamilton as the fastest man, before Vettel beat him by just over a second, and then Massa split them with the final lap.

Vettel and Massa came in for a fresh set of intermediates prior to their final runs, but Alonso elected to stay out.

The Brazilian out-qualified Alonso for the fourth successive race - this time by the margin of 0.14secs.

"We thought it was best come in for new tyres and we confirmed that pretty soon," said Vettel. "I was surprised by the gap in the end."

Massa said: "I don't know if we were able to be second and third in the dry - there were other quick cars like Webber and Kimi.

"It was a good qualifying for us. We took the right decision to stop to change tyres and managed to put a good lap together."

Team-mate Alonso added: "It is a long time since being in the top three, since Hockenheim [in July last year] so it is nice to be back here.

"Starting third gives you the realistic opportunity of a podium and it gives you also the possibility of winning the race. It is a good position to start [from] and we are very happy."

Hamilton lost out by not stopping to fit a fresh set of 'intermediate' tyres.
He said: "Our strategy was to stay out; we thought it would dry up a bit more, but it didn't. But there's lots of positives to take out so I am excited about the race."
The rain hit halfway through the second part of qualifying and Force India's Paul di Resta was one of those to lose out as a result.

The Scot was called in by his team to change tyres and to do so he had to abort a faster lap and by the time he was out on the track again it was raining.

He ended up 15th, behind Lotus's Romain Grosjean, Sauber's Nico Hulkenberg, Toro Rosso's Daniel Ricciardo and the second Sauber of Esteban Gutierrez.

Lotus blamed the failure of their weather radar for Grosjean missing out on the top 10 shoot-out.

Williams continued to struggle, just as they had at the first race of the season in Australia a week ago, with Pastor Maldonado 16th and team-mate Valtteri Bottas 18th after failing to progress beyond the first knock-out session, which was held in the dry.


Top 10 qualifiers:

1. Sebastian Vettel (Ger), Red Bull - 1min 49.674secs
2. Felipe Massa (Bra), Ferrari - 1:50.587
3. Fernando Alonso (Spa), Ferrari - 1:50.727
4. Lewis Hamilton (GB), Mercedes - 1:51.699
5. Mark Webber (Aus), Red Bull - 1:52.244
6. Nico Rosberg (Ger), Mercedes - 1:52.519
7. Kimi Raikkonen (Fin), Lotus - 1:52.970
8. Jenson Button (GB), McLaren - 1:53.175
9. Adrian Sutil (Ger), Force India - 1:53.439
10. Sergio Perez (Mex), McLaren - 1:54.136

Demonpenz 03-23-2013 08:59 PM

is the race going to be live on TV somewhere? How does Ferrari not kick more dick haha

KC native 03-23-2013 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9524642)
is the race going to be live on TV somewhere? How does Ferrari not kick more dick haha

Yea, NBC Sports network. 2:30AM

Dayze 03-23-2013 09:10 PM

nice; thanks for the scheudle. rep, ...****er.

Dylan 03-24-2013 12:21 AM

Malaysia Grand Prix: Whom are you picking?

Alonso
Massa
Kimi

Kimi was given a three-place penalty for blocking Rosberg during qualifying. He starts 10th on the grid - which might be too far back to be on podium.

However, they have to get through the start and you never know what is going to happen with these lastest 2013 tires -

I wonder whom Vettel will defend at the start - Alonso or Massa.

Guess, I am going to set my alarm...

Dylan 03-24-2013 02:20 AM

WOW ... Alonso is out! Webber clipped his wing -- HUGE mistake by Ferrari, not pitting Alonso..."Ferrari pit crew waiting"


I think Webber also clipped Vettel's wing.

J.C. what a cluster f. Woke me right up! Can't believe that happened.

Nico on the move - coming up on Hamilton...

You're sleeping?

Dylan 03-24-2013 10:24 AM

RACE RESULTS

The Malaysian Grand Prix
Sepang, Malaysia;
56 laps; 310.408km
24 March 2013

Classified:

Pos Driver Team Time/Gap
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1h38m56.681s
2. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault + 4.298s
3. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes + 12.181s
4. Nico Rosberg Mercedes + 12.640s
5. Felipe Massa Ferrari + 25.648s
6. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault + 35.564s
7. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault + 48.479s
8. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari + 53.044s
9. Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes + 1m12.357s
10. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 1m27.124s
11. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault + 1m28.610s
12. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari + 1 lap
13. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth + 1 lap
14. Charles Pic Caterham-Renault + 1 lap
15. Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault + 1 lap
16. Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth + 2 laps
17. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes + 3 laps
18. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 5 laps
Fastest lap: Perez, 1m39.199s



World Championship standings, round 2:

Drivers:
1. Vettel 40
2. Raikkonen 31
3. Webber 26
4. Hamilton 25
5. Massa 22
6. Alonso 18
7. Rosberg 12
8. Grosjean 9
9. Sutil 6
10. Di Resta 4
11. Hulkenberg 4
12. Button 2
13. Perez 2
14. Vergne 1

alpha_omega 03-24-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 9525194)
WOW ... Alonso is out! Webber clipped his wing -- HUGE mistake by Ferrari, not pitting Alonso..."Ferrari pit crew

Wow is right. I had read your post before I watched the replay, and I still was surprised when I saw it.

Al Bundy 03-24-2013 09:36 PM

I know next to nothing about F-1, I swore I just a guy hit some switch the flung him around another car... what the hell was I seeing?

Dylan 03-25-2013 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by alpha_omega (Post 9527614)
Wow is right. I had read your post before I watched the replay, and I still was surprised when I saw it.

Did you hear Vettel defied team orders to win the race over his teammate Weber?

I get it - Formula 1 a team will give an order to their driver to maintain a gap or in nonprofessional terms, not to pass their teammate in managed situations – especially near the end of a race.

I get it - Teams do not want to see both of their drivers racing each other and end up in the fence and giving away points. I get it - if driver #1 is going for the world championship – the team does not want to see driver #2 winning a race and interfering with driver #1 points.

Nevertheless, as a fan I don’t like it – I just want to see the most skilled driver with the best car win. That is all.

Here is a good review of Malaysian Grand Prix review:

Vettel defies team orders to seize victory
Alonso out early
Webber takes lead
“Mark is too slow”
War breaks out at Red Bull
No smiles on the podium

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/03/2...d-prix-review/

Dylan 03-25-2013 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9527693)
I know next to nothing about F-1, I swore I just a guy hit some switch the flung him around another car... what the hell was I seeing?

You can be hooked fast on Formula 1. The technology behind an F1 car is so interesting and complex. In this sport, the technical director is more important than the driver is. They employ the best research and development scientists, who make the car.

The only downside, you will have to watch Formula 1 races live - in the middle of the night. Otherwise, you would miss NASCAR races when FOXsports replays F1 in the US.

Dylan 03-25-2013 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9527693)
I know next to nothing about F-1, I swore I just a guy hit some switch the flung him around another car... what the hell was I seeing?

It sounds like you are talking about the DRS button that reduces the race car's aerodynamic drag in order to overtake another race car in F1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_reduction_system

KC native 03-25-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 9527888)
Did you hear Vettel defied team orders to win the race over his teammate Weber?

I get it - Formula 1 a team will give an order to their driver to maintain a gap or in nonprofessional terms, not to pass their teammate in managed situations – especially near the end of a race.

I get it - Teams do not want to see both of their drivers racing each other and end up in the fence and giving away points. I get it - if driver #1 is going for the world championship – the team does not want to see driver #2 winning a race and interfering with driver #1 points.

Nevertheless, as a fan I don’t like it – I just want to see the most skilled driver with the best car win. That is all.

Here is a good review of Malaysian Grand Prix review:

Vettel defies team orders to seize victory
Alonso out early
Webber takes lead
“Mark is too slow”
War breaks out at Red Bull
No smiles on the podium

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/03/2...d-prix-review/

I fell asleep Sat night and watched it last night.

Vettel's move on Webber was bullshit. Webber turned down his engine on team orders and expected Vettel to do the same and not take it to him. If the order to turn down his engine and hold position hadn't been given then Webber would have been pushing and kept the lead. Sneaky German was sneaky.

KC native 03-25-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 9527893)
You can be hooked fast on Formula 1. The technology behind an F1 car is so interesting and complex. In this sport, the technical director is more important than the driver is. They employ the best research and development scientists, who make the car.

The only downside, you will have to watch Formula 1 races live - in the middle of the night. Otherwise, you would miss NASCAR races when FOXsports replays F1 in the US.

DVR and self discipline is key. If I haven't watched the race yet, I stay off of twitter and instagram.

KC native 03-25-2013 10:03 AM

There were a ton of pit stop errors by a lot of teams this race. I have never seen anything like yesterday's race and I have been watching F1 religiously for 10-12 years.

Demonpenz 03-27-2013 03:31 PM

Alonso was full of fail. Weird deal by Vettle. I am not totally sure he just wanted to win at all costs. I think he is confused as what has happened. Sucked for Mark Weber. F1 team orders sucks. F1 is for itself though not for the fans.

KC native 03-27-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9533617)
Alonso was full of fail. Weird deal by Vettle. I am not totally sure he just wanted to win at all costs. I think he is confused as what has happened. Sucked for Mark Weber. F1 team orders sucks. F1 is for itself though not for the fans.

Alonso staying out wasn't his call. His team told him to stay out.

Vettel definitely wanted to win at all costs. Immediately after the race in interviews he admitted he ****ed up. Red Bull won't do anything about it though. He should be suspended for at least a race.

Demonpenz 03-27-2013 09:07 PM

I don't know. He just sounded confused. I wish he would either just say YOU GOD DAMN RIGHT I WANTED TO WIN instead of sounding like a dumbass. Although sometimes the drivers can sound like dumbasses simply because English is not their first language.

chefsos 03-28-2013 03:40 PM

Random bump time. Just saw this and was inspired, no, compelled to post it.

http://i.imgur.com/GAIu7Xs.gif

I don't see that crazy six wheel Tyrrell anywhere though.

KC native 03-28-2013 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chefsos (Post 9536114)
Random bump time. Just saw this and was inspired, no, compelled to post it.

http://i.imgur.com/GAIu7Xs.gif

I don't see that crazy six wheel Tyrrell anywhere though.

I ****ing love this gif. Yea, it's not in there. They did have like 4-5 of them when they did the Historic Grand Prix at the F1 race in Austin last November. Shit was cash.

KC native 04-13-2013 07:11 PM

1:30 AM Tonight.

With the soft tires falling off so quickly, it will be interesting from a tire strategy perspective.

Quote:

Chinese GP: Lewis Hamilton earns maiden Mercedes pole position

Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton beat Lotus's Kimi Raikkonen and Ferrari's Fernando Alonso to pole position at the Chinese Grand Prix.

Hamilton was nearly 0.3 seconds quicker than Raikkonen as he took his first pole position for his new Mercedes team.

Team-mate Nico Rosberg was fourth ahead of Ferrari's Felipe Massa.
Sebastian Vettel was ninth as team-mate Mark Webber was disqualified for stopping on track with too little fuel.

The Australian will be thrown to the back of the grid, but has the choice of changing his set-up to enhance his chances of overtaking and starting from the pit lane, as his Red Bull team-mate Vettel did in the same circumstances in Abu Dhabi last November.

The rules dictate that any car that does not make it to the pits has to have enough fuel in it to provide a one-litre sample as well as the amount of fuel required to get it back to the pits from where it stopped.
Webber's had only 150ml left in it when it stopped with what Red Bull initially said was a fuel-pressure problem.

Red Bull said a problem with the fuel bowser, the machine that is used to pump fuel into the car, "caused an incorrect fuel measurement to be delivered to Mark's car".

Webber described the situation as "very disappointing".

Lotus driver Romain Grosjean was sixth ahead of the impressive Daniel Ricciardo's Toro Rosso and McLaren's Jenson Button, who like Vettel used 'medium' tyres in final qualifying in an attempt to gain an advantage in the race.

The drivers ahead of Button and Vettel will all have to pit relatively early to change the fragile 'soft' tyres while the 'mediums' will last around 20 laps.
But Vettel and Button will have to use the 'softs' later in the race.

"Obviously we are on a different strategy," Vettel said. "We will see whether it works tomorrow. But I am confident we did the right thing."

Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn said: "Those on the option will have to stop relatively early. It will be a fascinating race."

Hamilton's performance underlined the pace Mercedes had shown throughout the weekend and he was an impressive 0.377secs quicker than Rosberg, who made a mistake at the final corner.

Hamilton said: "[It's an] incredible feeling, so happy to have our first pole for some time. Ecstatic, the lap was great. I really hope we can carry that into tomorrow.

"[The gap is] really surprising because in [final practice] the Ferraris were really quick and we didn't know if we'd have enough pace."

Raikkonen said: "The gap is quite big still. We don't have that speed right now, we were second. Not too bad. The best I think I have been with the team. We are missing the downforce in the middle sector a bit. [We'll] see what we can do."

Alonso added: "Very happy. The weekend has been very good for us. The car felt competitive from Friday.

"The car is responding well and I think we have a good set-up for the race and if everything goes well we should be able to fight for the podium with both cars which is good for the team."

Qualifying result:

1. Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes - 1:34.484
2. Kimi Raikkonen - Lotus - 1:34.761
3. Fernando Alonso - Ferrari - 1:34.788
4. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes - 1:34.861
5. Felipe Massa - Ferrari - 1:34.933
6. Romain Grosjean - Lotus - 1:35.364
7. Daniel Ricciardo - Toro Rosso - 1:35.998
8. Jenson Button - McLaren - 2:05.673
9. Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull
10. Nico Hulkenberg - Sauber

Dylan 04-14-2013 01:30 AM

Race is on!

Hamilton, Alonso and Kimi so far have been fun to watch.

Hamilton is dropping back.

Wow...Ferrari is hard to beat in the DRS zones

Edit: Webber had a collision Vergne as they were fighting for position.

Webber has a broken front wing.

Edit: No... Kimi gets into the back of Perez (I think it was Perez) - and now has a hole in the nose of his Lotus - damn

Edit: Webber's loses his right rear as it rolls across the road...

Dylan 04-14-2013 01:56 AM

KC Native:

The Chinese Grand Prix:

They are leaving Kimi out - (damage is not serious) Kimi is right on Hamilton's tail - Looks like Ferrari needs fresh tires if they want to keep up with Hamilton and Kimi.

These cars are moving...Button and Grosjean had a DRS incident - not sure what happened.

Alonso up to second - Alonso passes Hulkenberg on the turn -

Alonso leads again, Vettel running second -

Hard to keep up - there are battles all over the place...they are flying.

Edit: Vettel came in for tires - think they are using a two-stop strategy

Edit: Vettel is fast - He just blew past Massi on the overlap - He's up to sixth (?)

It's now Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi and Button

hahahaha... Button is complaining about the traffic - as Vettel runs him down. Vettel's tires are fresher than Button's tires.

They are running over 200 mph. Hamilton is 4 sec. behind Kimi

Alonso leads by 19 sec. over Vettel and Button - all three still need a final stop. Hamilton is closing in on Kimi - 1.5 sec. behind

Alonso pulled an incredible DRS move in turn 1 (?). This is Alonso's race to lose. He just set the fastest lap. He is running a flawless race. Boy is flying.

Kim has now caught Button (running third), who is now struggling to keep up on old tires.

Edit: Vettel, running second, is trying to stay ahead of Button.

Great battle going on between Kimi and Hamilton - Kimi is running 1.5 sec. ahead of Hamilton and holding his own.

5 laps to go - Alonso is 11 sec. ahead of Kimi and Hamilton - Ferrari has the best car - and Alonso - well, is AWESOME...

Edit: Kimi is 2 sec. behind Alonso! WOW Vettel is closing in on Hamilton - fast.

OMG... What a finish... Alonso wins! Kimi second. Hamilton comes in third. Team Kimi beat him at the final pit stop!

That was very close for Hamilton and Vettel - If Vettel pitted earlier I think he would beat out Hamilton - so close.

Spanish national anthem plays in honor of the winner, Fernando Alonso.

Thrilling finish. Thrilling race!

Enjoy it, Sunday.

KC native 04-14-2013 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 9585014)
KC Native:



Enjoy it, Sunday.

Yes, it was fantastic. I watched it live but held off for anybody who planned on watching it on their DVRs.

Great race from Fernando (he's my favorite driver, Kimi is #2, Perez #3). Ferrari looks strong. They had incredible pace and they should be the favorites to take Bahrain. Felipe's fall off kind of surprised me. He was real racy for the first half and then just disappeared.

Kimi is Kimi. That guy is one hell of a driver. If you give him a competent car, he will be a factor.

I think Vettel is a little rattled. It will be interesting to see how he performs in Bahrain. Vettel over his whole stretch at Red Bull has had the superior car over the entire field. This year he doesn't have that advantage at the start of the season. He is still a fantastic driver. His run from 10 to 4 was brilliant and if he wouldn't have pushed too hard on that first lap on the soft tires, he might have been able to catch Hamilton.

Bahrain will be fun to watch too.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...98_634x405.jpg

Dylan 04-20-2013 06:11 PM

Business as usual in that part of the world - No?


Bahrain F1 race to go ahead amid tensions, protests
http://rt.com/files/news/1e/cb/60/00/20.jpg
Bahrain F1 race to go ahead amid tensions, protests

Quote:

(Reuters) - Bahrain's controversial Formula One race will go ahead on Sunday despite opposition protests and street violence plaguing the island kingdom more than two years after pro-democracy protests began.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93J07V20130420



Anonymous set to shutdown Formula One cars electric systems

Quote:

HACKERS have allegedly taken control of three websites in Bahrain.
International hacking group Anonymous claimed it disrupted services of two websites of the Bahrain International Exhibition and Convention Centre, www.bahrainexhibitions.com, and the third belonging to Formula One.

"We'll hack #Formula1 cars electronic systems and crash them into one another," it said.

"We are not targeting websites only, we are trying to hack databases, e-mails, so bringing down websites is not all what we do."
The GDN reported earlier an official at the Interior Ministry's Cyber Crime Unit as saying that he was aware of threats against at least three websites by the group.

He said there were similar attempts last year, but added that experts were monitoring the situation and were ready to respond.

The official had said it was difficult to track down hackers targeting websites in Bahrain, but said the majority of attempts appeared to originate in the US.
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsD...storyid=351745


https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images...1__normal.jpeg Anonymous @YourAnonNews
Anonymous Op Bahrain | We've Begun The Countdown To Wreckage: Action Begins Friday - April 19, 2013 6:00 AM Manama Standard Time | #ExpectUs

KC native 04-20-2013 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 9608182)
Business as usual in that part of the world - No?


Bahrain F1 race to go ahead amid tensions, protests
http://rt.com/files/news/1e/cb/60/00/20.jpg
Bahrain F1 race to go ahead amid tensions, protests



http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93J07V20130420



Anonymous set to shutdown Formula One cars electric systems


http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsD...storyid=351745


https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images...1__normal.jpeg Anonymous @YourAnonNews
Anonymous Op Bahrain | We've Begun The Countdown To Wreckage: Action Begins Friday - April 19, 2013 6:00 AM Manama Standard Time | #ExpectUs


LOL @ anonymous taking credit for F1's telemetry problems this year. They switched something related to it (vendor or system) and have had multiple problems with telemetry in every race this year.

And of course Bahrain goes on. Ecclestone is a greedy little troll that would never pass by a $30M+ race fee.

Dylan 04-20-2013 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9608236)
LOL @ anonymous taking credit for F1's telemetry problems this year. They switched something related to it (vendor or system) and have had multiple problems with telemetry in every race this year.

And of course Bahrain goes on. Ecclestone is a greedy little troll that would never pass by a $30M+ race fee.

Wow. I had no idea a country pays that much money to host a race.

NASCAR's race fees must be $100 per car on Sunday and $50 special on Saturdays.

Quote:

According the Washington Post, Bahrain pays an estimated $40 million a year to host the Formula One race...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...f71_story.html


Rating Formula One Races by How Fans Might Fare:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/16/sp...anted=all&_r=0

KC native 04-20-2013 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 9608637)
Wow. I had no idea a country pays that much money to host a race.

NASCAR's race fees must be $100 per car on Sunday and $50 special on Saturdays.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...f71_story.html


Rating Formula One Races by How Fans Might Fare:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/16/sp...anted=all&_r=0

Yes, Ecclestone's greed is a big threat to F1's sustainability. The sanctioning fees are excessive. The way the money is distributed is ****ed off and heavily favors the top teams. He lines his pockets with the TV revenue. Less needs to be going in his and CVC's pockets and more needs to be going to ALL constructors. We lost HRT this year because they're broke. Marussia and Caterham are teetering of the brink. Sauber lucked out with giving Perez a shot and having Slim give the team a **** load of money (which is why Gutierrez is there now).

Dylan 04-21-2013 12:05 AM

Thank you.

KC native, any reason why or any thoughts on the new Pirelli's this season? I've noticed some teams have had nothing good to say about the tires so far.

And then, finally your thoughts on Lewis Hamilton.

Hamilton writes an exclusive column for BBC Sport. This week he was asked 'to name one driver currently racing in F1 that inspires him in some way'

Quote:

"Fernando (Alonso), really. He feels to me like he's the most complete driver here. And with pure speed, he is rapid. He is such a quick driver but he's also very, very smart in how he does it. I really admire him for that.

"Fernando is always there. He has been the most consistent driver apart from Sebastian, who has also done an awesome job but he's been in the most dominant car.

"Before I got into F1, Fernando was the driver I most admired. Having driven alongside him and then been in the sport and seen him progress, it remains the same.

"Back in 2007, we were both immature and misbehaved. We took a long time to recover from that. Fernando probably said a lot of things through anger, as I did, and that got twisted and turned in the media which impacted on the fans. So there are people who don't like me and people who don't like him.

"He will go down as a legend. He will win more world championships. And to be in an era when there's a legend and to have him say such positive things about me, is a really cool feeling."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22209168

Hamilton had some very interesting things to say about why 'racing has become more strategic' this season, and on Perez and the way he was driving in the Chinese Grand Prix.

Thanks!

PornChief 04-21-2013 12:46 AM

Seems like a 100 years ago that I went to Adelaide to see the 1st Australian GP (well, 1st of the modern era at least). That track was the best street circuit ever, and that race had Gods like Mansell, Piquet, Prost, Senna, Rosberg and Berger. I was young and we drank a lot so I don't remember much except I met Prost, he was cool, must have been about 5 feet tall.

PornChief 04-21-2013 12:47 AM

also, Vettel is gay.

KC native 04-21-2013 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 9609003)
Thank you.

KC native, any reason why or any thoughts on the new Pirelli's this season? I've noticed some teams have had nothing good to say about the tires so far.

And then, finally your thoughts on Lewis Hamilton.

Hamilton writes an exclusive column for BBC Sport. This week he was asked 'to name one driver currently racing in F1 that inspires him in some way'



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22209168

Hamilton had some very interesting things to say about why 'racing has become more strategic' this season, and on Perez and the way he was driving in the Chinese Grand Prix.

Thanks!

Two of my best friends are Lewis Hamilton fans. I've never been too keen on him. He's a great driver. He's just never really been likeable to me however he has matured and become much more tolerable over the last couple of years.

He is right about Alonso. He is the best driver out there IMO. Vettel is a phenom but Adrian Newey has given him the best car by far for the last 3 years. Ferrari gave Alonso chicken shit to start the year last year and he still managed to challenge for a championship. If ol' Crashy McCrasherson, Romain Grosjean, hadn't put him out on the first lap of one of Alonso's DNFs then Alonso may have won the championship last year.

On Perez, I understand them being ticked but I understand why he was driving that way. Whitmarsh told Perez prior to the race to be a lot more aggressive but McClaren hasn't given Perez the car to be more aggressive with. McClaren's lack of pace has been the real surprise of this year so far to me. Neither Button nor Perez have been able to put together a good race yet.

I love the new tires. It has made the teams react and respond. They can't just hit autopilot. The only teams complaining about the tires right now are the ones that can't get them to work properly. It has lessened the impact of Adrian Newey's aerodynamic dominance which I think is good for the sport.

KC native 04-21-2013 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornChief (Post 9609013)
Seems like a 100 years ago that I went to Adelaide to see the 1st Australian GP (well, 1st of the modern era at least). That track was the best street circuit ever, and that race had Gods like Mansell, Piquet, Prost, Senna, Rosberg and Berger. I was young and we drank a lot so I don't remember much except I met Prost, he was cool, must have been about 5 feet tall.

That is ****ing awesome. lucky bastard.

Dylan 04-21-2013 11:27 AM

KC native: I really appreciate your willingness to respond to my questions. Thanks!

bandwagonjumper 04-21-2013 02:21 PM

It might be a stupid question but how do NASCAR and Formula 1 compare? How much do the top drivers earn and could top drivers like Sebastian Vettel and Lewis Hamilton compete in NASCAR?

PornChief 04-21-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandwagonjumper (Post 9610571)
It might be a stupid question but how do NASCAR and Formula 1 compare? How much do the top drivers earn and could top drivers like Sebastian Vettel and Lewis Hamilton compete in NASCAR?

F1 drivers are paid way more, Alonso gets 30m euro, drivers on crap teams get a lot less, around 500,000. Mark Webber gets 10m euro which is about average. They'd make it easily in NASCAR, but that would be like Peyton going to the CFL.

Al Bundy 04-21-2013 04:39 PM

Good win for Sato in the Indy car series.

KC native 04-21-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandwagonjumper (Post 9610571)
It might be a stupid question but how do NASCAR and Formula 1 compare? How much do the top drivers earn and could top drivers like Sebastian Vettel and Lewis Hamilton compete in NASCAR?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornChief (Post 9610896)
F1 drivers are paid way more, Alonso gets 30m euro, drivers on crap teams get a lot less, around 500,000. Mark Webber gets 10m euro which is about average. They'd make it easily in NASCAR, but that would be like Peyton going to the CFL.

Yea, and that's before sponsorships. F1 top drivers make a **** ton of money. Michael Schumacher used to pull down more than Michael Jordan when he was at his peak.

KC native 04-21-2013 08:41 PM

Fantastic race again today.

Alonso showed some grit. 3 pit stops in the first 30 laps because his wing was broken, but still managed to pull out 8th spot.

Perez went out there and gutted it out too. Tough defensive drive and nice finish. Out drove Button by a lot.

Vettel is Vettel. I wish Fernando wouldn't have had the technical problems. Should have been a great fight between them at the front.

Paul Di Resta ran a fantastic finish for himself and Force India. Can't believe he pulled off P4. He was almost on the podium but Crashy McCrasherson pulled out a great race.

KC native 05-11-2013 10:56 PM

Race is at 6:30 AM CST for the early birds. I will be DVRing this per my usual.

Should be a great race.

Quote:

Nico Rosberg beat Mercedes team-mate Lewis Hamilton to pole position at the Spanish Grand Prix.

The German took his second consecutive pole by 0.254 seconds from Hamilton, with Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel third ahead of Lotus's Kimi Raikkonen.

Ferrari's Fernando Alonso could manage only fifth on the grid in front of his adoring home fans, just 0.001secs quicker than team-mate Felipe Massa.

McLaren's Jenson Button was only 14th with team-mate Sergio Perez ninth.

Scot Paul di Resta was 10th as the top 10 was completed by Lotus's Romain Grosjean in seventh and Red Bull's Mark Webber in eighth.

Brazilian Massa was subsequently handed a three-place grid penalty for blocking Mark Webber during the Red Bull driver's timed lap in the second session, relegating the Ferrari driver to ninth on the grid.

"Congrats to Nico - really happy for the team," said Hamilton. "It's down to all the great work from the guys at the factory. But we've got to approach tomorrow with caution because it's going to be tough. I didn't have two option tyre sets, but I think Nico was quicker today."

Since 1997, the Spanish Grand Prix has been won from pole position every year bar one, when Vettel won from second in 2011.

But Mercedes have struggled for race pace this year and team principal Ross Brawn sounded doubtful when asked if they could win the grand prix, admitting others had been in better shape during the race-simulation runs in Friday practice.

However, world champion Vettel said: "Mercedes were in a league of their own. We were surprised by the pace they had today. I am happy to sit in third right behind them because they were out of reach.

"I expect them to be strong in the race because they have been quick all year on this track and I expect the people behind to put some pressure on, Lotus and Ferrari. We will have to look after ourselves and our own tyres and then see what we can do."

The improved Toro Rossos of Daniel Ricciardo and Jean-Eric Vergne were 11th and 12th ahead of Force India's Adrian Sutil.

"The car didn't feel too bad in Q1," said Button of his poor qualifying. "I got held up on my lap and lost about 0.3secs in last corner from this morning but then in Q2 I just didn't have the grip on my last run. The tyre pressures came in massively high. We're just looking now to see if they were set properly."

On whether he was surprised by team-mate Sergio Perez's pace, he said: "I am considering where we are. He did a good job, obviously got everything right."
Williams continued to struggle - both cars failed to get past the first knock-out session despite a major upgrade package.

Valtteri Bottas was 17th, 0.058secs ahead of team-mate Pastor Maldonado as the corner-entry instability that has plagued them all year seemed to still be a problem.
Deputy team principal Claire Williams said: "It's not why we come racing to not get drivers into Q2. The boys all work really hard, and we've got to improve. You never panic in these situations. The grid is so tight, we were only one tenth off getting into Q2 so I don't think it's time to panic."

Sauber's Esteban Gutierrez was handed the same punishment as Massa for impeding Kimi Raikkonen and will start the race in 19th position. The Mexican was previously given a five-place grid penalty for the last grand prix in Bahrain for his part in an incident with Adrian Sutil during the Chinese Grand Prix.



Driver Car Team Q1 Q2 Q3
1 Nico Rosberg 9 Mercedes 1:21.913 1:21.776 1:20.718
2 Lewis Hamilton 10 Mercedes 1:21.728 1:21.001 1:20.972
3 Sebastian Vettel 1 Red Bull 1:22.158 1:21.602 1:21.054
4 Kimi Raikkonen 7 Lotus 1:22.210 1:21.676 1:21.177
5 Fernando Alonso 3 Ferrari 1:22.264 1:21.646 1:21.218
6 Felipe Massa 4 Ferrari 1:22.492 1:21.978 1:21.219
7 Romain Grosjean 8 Lotus 1:22.613 1:21.998 1:21.308
8 Mark Webber 2 Red Bull 1:22.342 1:21.718 1:21.570
9 Sergio Perez 6 McLaren 1:23.116 1:21.790 1:22.069
10 Paul Di Resta 14 Force India 1:22.663 1:22.019 1:22.233
11 Daniel Ricciardo 19 Toro Rosso 1:22.905 1:22.127
12 Jean-Eric Vergne 18 Toro Rosso 1:22.775 1:22.166
13 Adrian Sutil 15 Force India 1:22.952 1:22.346
14 Jenson Button 5 McLaren 1:23.166 1:22.355
15 Nico Hulkenberg 11 Sauber 1:23.058 1:22.389
16 Esteban Gutierrez 12 Sauber 1:23.218 1:22.793
17 Valtteri Bottas 17 Williams 1:23.260
18 Pastor Maldonado 16 Williams 1:23.318
19 Giedo van der Garde 21 Caterham 1:24.661
20 Jules Bianchi 22 Marussia 1:24.713
21 Max Chilton 23 Marussia 1:24.996
22 Charles Pic 20 Caterham 1:25.070

Dylan 05-12-2013 01:21 AM

Sunday, May 12 at 8 a.m. ET - That is better than 6 a.m. :D

Who is going to win the Spanish Grand Prix?

Red Bull have always been strong in Spain. I think Vettel will be hard to beat.

Kimi is strong in Spain. He has won this race twice. Kimi is 10 points behind Vettel after four races. Would like to see him win the race.

Alonso has not won here since 2006-not a good track record. Then again, he finished second last year.

Mercedes - Have they improved their race pace? Not sure.

Pirelli will bring medium and hard compound tires to Spain. Supposedly, they tweaked the hard compound tires so they hold up longer. But will they be durable?

I find the tire strategy confusing...I am not sure how long the driver can push the new tires.

My picks

1st place: Vettel / Kimi - Each driver will receive half a trophy..
2nd Alonso
3rd: Webber

KC native 05-12-2013 10:52 PM

Finally got around to finishing the race.

Phenomenal drive from Alonso and Massa. Ferrrari decided they would just drive it hard the whole race and make 4 stops. Game changing strategy and it will be interesting to see if they keep it up. The mantra this year has been protect your tires as much as possible and Ferrari said **** that and went for it. This will make the strategies later in the season much more interesting.

Kimi was Kimi. The mad Fin was excellent as usual. He has a great chance to win the driver's championship. There are mounting rumors that he could be headed to Red Bull to replace Webber next year. I don't know if I see Kimi at Red Bull. He really hated all the extra shit he had to do at Ferrari and Red Bull would have the same requirements for him.

Mercedes is ****ed. They can pound out a fast lap to qualify high but they have problems with tire wear and they don't look like they are getting any better. They locked out the front row during qualifying and both Hamilton and Rosberg finished outside the top 5.

McClaren is also in a similar situation. Perez was faster than Button again and they made him stay behind him at the end of the race. Their lack of performance has been the biggest head scratcher of this season.

Donger 05-13-2013 08:12 AM

The Pirelli tires are just ridiculous. Four stops, really? I read that the guys are so worried about degradation that they are seriously backing off. Something like three seconds a lap SLOWER than GP2 on the same track. That isn't F1.

alpha_omega 05-13-2013 08:16 AM

Damn...busy weekend and i totally forgot this was on.

Donger 05-13-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by alpha_omega (Post 9678348)
Damn...busy weekend and i totally forgot this was on.

That's okay. It really wasn't a race.

KC native 05-13-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9678342)
The Pirelli tires are just ridiculous. Four stops, really? I read that the guys are so worried about degradation that they are seriously backing off. Something like three seconds a lap SLOWER than GP2 on the same track. That isn't F1.

Pirelli gave the FIA what it wanted for F1. After the delaminations this week I think there will be changes to the tires. Most of the races will still probably be 3 stoppers though.

Donger 05-13-2013 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9678433)
Pirelli gave the FIA what it wanted for F1. After the delaminations this week I think there will be changes to the tires. Most of the races will still probably be 3 stoppers though.

Yeah, just reading that Hembery pretty much acknowledged that yesterday was stupid and will make the tires harder. It really is a shame. I watched the race by DVR yesterday and I pretty much played it back at 5X speed.

KC native 05-13-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9678454)
Yeah, just reading that Hembery pretty much acknowledged that yesterday was stupid and will make the tires harder. It really is a shame. I watched the race by DVR yesterday and I pretty much played it back at 5X speed.

I like the increased degradation but yesterday's race was ridiculous. Monaco with these tires will be interesting.


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