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DeezNutz 09-30-2012 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8960450)
Murray has no shot at being the #1 overall.

What the **** kind of ****ing moron are you?

Murray will be a nice consolation prize for someone in the second round.

milkman 09-30-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8960458)
Murray will be a nice consolation prize for someone in the second round.

I've said this before.

I like Murray, and think with good coaching, he can realize his potential.

But he's far too inconsistent in that program with the morons running things there to ever achieve #1 overall status.

I just want to know what kind of ****ing drugs zilla takes to come up with the stupid shit he says.

I'll give him credit, though.

He is, far and away, the most articulate dumbass I have ever come across.

chiefzilla1501 09-30-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8960450)
Murray has no shot at being the #1 overall.

What the **** kind of ****ing moron are you?

In this QB class, why couldn't he be? Especially if he steadily improves, which you would expect from a Junior running a very difficult offense.

BryanBusby 09-30-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8960458)
Murray will be a nice consolation prize for someone in the second round.

Why would he declare early?

milkman 09-30-2012 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8960474)
In this QB class, why couldn't he be? Especially if he steadily improves, which you would expect from a Junior running a very difficult offense.

Because Murray has a tendency to frequetly go bonehead.

chiefzilla1501 09-30-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8960467)
I've said this before.

I like Murray, and think with good coaching, he can realize his potential.

But he's far too inconsistent in that program with the morons running things there to ever achieve #1 overall status.

I just want to know what kind of ****ing drugs zilla takes to come up with the stupid shit he says.

I'll give him credit, though.

He is, far and away, the most articulate dumbass I have ever come across.

You know Murray better than I do. I'm just throwing out the possibility.

Because what I see in Murray is that he plays in a very difficult QB offense in a very difficult conference. I think NFL scouts are a lot more forgiving of that, and you can't knock on a guy too much for being inconsistent as a Sophomore or even an early Junior. What I see is that he has tremendous fundamentals and great arm strength, and that he looks like he can run an NFL offense as opposed to reading off of a script. That's the reason why I was asking what the knock on him is that he wouldn't be a legit top-tier prospect?

Because in Geno Smith, you have a tremendous passer who hasn't proven he can play under center. In Barkley, you have a good QB with all the tools but with arm strength limitations. And much as I like Tyler Wilson, if he's trying out for a job, he's not exactly wow'ing anybody.

Now, if you think Georgia's offensive scheme is messed up and that's limiting Murray's potential, that's something I don't know. You would and I trust what you're saying. I was pointing out Murray as a potential #1 only if he continues to improve.

DeezNutz 09-30-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8960474)
In this QB class, why couldn't he be? Especially if he steadily improves, which you would expect from a Junior running a very difficult offense.

Because it's a strong class, and he has no chance of leap-frogging Smith and Barkley?

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8960475)
Why would he declare early?

Probably won't since there will be three locks in the first round: Barkley, Smith, and Wilson.

And, he'll likely return to try to chase a NC, in addition to trying to improve his draft stock.

milkman 09-30-2012 09:50 AM

I don't think a guy whose has outstanding pocket footwork is going to have any problem learning to take snaps under center.

chiefzilla1501 09-30-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8960512)
Because it's a strong class, and he has no chance of leap-frogging Smith and Barkley?



Probably won't since there will be three locks in the first round: Barkley, Smith, and Wilson.

And, he'll likely return to try to chase a NC, in addition to trying to improve his draft stock.

It's a deep class. It's not a strong one in terms of elite NFL prospects. So there is absolutely opportunity for somebody to leapfrog into the #1 slot.

If this were the 2012 Draft class, it would be Andrew Luck, RGIII and then everybody else.

suds79 09-30-2012 09:53 AM

This is RG3 all over again.

We all love the guy's talent, think it's possible but then he plays himself out of reach for us.

Might as well start to focus on some of the other options the way I see it.

DeezNutz 09-30-2012 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8960519)
It's a deep class. It's not a strong one in terms of elite NFL prospects. So there is absolutely opportunity for somebody to leapfrog into the #1 slot.

If this were the 2012 Draft class, it would be Andrew Luck, RGIII and then everybody else.

Completely disagree. At this time last year, many weren't even projecting RGIII as a first-round pick. And you're greatly undervaluing Barkley and Smith.

They're not Luck-level prospects, but they're really, really good.

chiefzilla1501 09-30-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8960515)
I don't think a guy whose has outstanding pocket footwork is going to have any problem learning to take snaps under center.

I like Geno Smith. I'd draft him in a heartbeat. But that does take a leap of faith that he can operate in an NFL offense, given that his system is extremely friendly to a QB. I didn't have that question with Luck or RGIII. For Smith to succeed, he has to be able to operate in a more traditional pro style offense.

milkman 09-30-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8960540)
I like Geno Smith. I'd draft him in a heartbeat. But that does take a leap of faith that he can operate in an NFL offense, given that his system is extremely friendly to a QB. I didn't have that question with Luck or RGIII. For Smith to succeed, he has to be able to operate in a more traditional pro style offense.

This is why you are full of shit.

RGIII played in a system that was every bit as QB friendly as Smith does.

JFC, where do you come up with this shit?

Do you think you'll just throw shit out there and no one will question it?

chiefzilla1501 09-30-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8960527)
Completely disagree. At this time last year, many weren't even projecting RGIII as a first-round pick. And you're greatly undervaluing Barkley and Smith.

They're not Luck-level prospects, but they're really, really good.

Barkley is a strong NFL prospect. But he's not an elite prospect you gush over to take him #1.

I really like Geno Smith. But he's not RGIII. I gushed over RGIII because I thought he could become a more giftedly athletic version of Ben Roethlisberger. Meaning... you don't have to have to be perfect to mentally run an NFL offense. You can use your legs to buy extra time. For Smith, you have to take a leap of faith that he can operate in a more traditional pro style offense. I believe he can, but that risk makes him anything but a consensus pick.

Don't get me wrong. Both are terrific top 10 prospects. But they're not the #1's you gush over.

Dayze 09-30-2012 10:02 AM

Aside from Geno's passing (obviously), I loved his footwork.


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