Let's go with the rules that I'm posting in the original thread. I think it's a reasonable compromise.

Any chance I could talk you out of the limit? It's a little frustrating when the 2 players you want at the top have the pick value of far less than the discounted #3 but it's impossible to work a single trade. Or possibly allow one trade up and one trade down?

not a big deal though, just tough to give up on a perfect scenario.

Eh, I'm not wed to anything. I just want to be sure that we don't create a system that gets onerous for the more casual players.

Anyone else want to weigh in?

Okay, people, if you want to ever be known as a draft guru or GM guru, you HAVE to participate. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Get rolling on this.

does the 2nd pick of the 4th round have a 108 or 92 point value? im guessing 92(going by 102 overall) but correct me if i'm wrong

So we are allowed to do one of each a trade up and a trade down? Also the trade down discount is very steep I believe 30% would be acceptable it would be twice what you are giving for a trade up....plus I have found a trade I would do at 30% :) and 35% cripples it

It seems to me like valuing the number of the pick is more accurate than going by round, in case compensatory picks vary.


Did I screw you over or help you? :D

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well originally i was trying to trade up for connor barwin, but it's impossible(shoulda known). working on something new though and it's looking pretty good. it's a trade down so that helps a little bit, looking at the value chart again I see they have an additional column "AP"(additional/comp picks i assume), I assumed it ended with r7 and therefore the true value would be somewhere in the middle, but it seems they took it into account. funny stuff about the value chart here: http://walterfootball.com/tradevaluecharterrors.php

just rounding out the later picks

Honestly 35% is a lot. I originally thought it was 30 and thats why I found one I would do. Trying to trade out of 3 for 35% would mean you basically trade to 8 about straight up and 30% is trading to 7 straight up.

Someone put a sweet sig in for me. Takes place of my KCKings draft picks

If others want to chime in, we can change it. I thought it was a little high for mid- and late-round picks, but the problem is those first five picks. There's such an escalation of value that almost anyone would trade out of them if the discount isn't big and their guy isn't in the next few picks. It's the problem with perfect knowledge.

Yeah I understand were your coming from. I still wouldn't get the guy I want and feel he would be a reach at 3, so if we wouldn't change it any I'd have to reject Cassel and take Sanchez.

sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks.

I trade the 3 (1320 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 83(175), 97(112), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1316.7 pt value

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
83-Brandon Tate
97-Jonathan Luigs
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop

Ooh, blockbuster. But be careful - Belichick is a merciless trade partner.

as am i :)

oops, for some reason i thought it was a 40% discount, so im gonna rework it a little bit with the new value

here we go. sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks.

I trade the 3 (1430 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 73(225), 83(175), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1429.7 pt value

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
73-Antoine Caldwell
83-Brandon Tate
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop

WOOT! That mean we are going with 30%?

1430 is 35%

Shoot, I just saw that and got excited thinking it was 30 before I looked at the OP and then did the calculation again. Nice btw, the Pats are my #2 trade partner if I can't work something else out.

i thought you were going to take Sanchez of of 5:57 pm :hmmm::p jp, it does work out almost too well

does your trade involve the #3 pick?

if not a potential solution to your problem, Rain Man, might be to keep it 35% for our top pick, but 30% for the rest. I think that'd be fair considering the draft.

Yeah it involves the 3, I was going to as of 5:57 but then I noticed the Pats had 4 seconds and I really didn't need anyone in the late first round :). I was going to go with Denver and get Maclin in the first but would have rather had DHB.

That sounds reasonable. 35% for 1st round picks, 30% for all other picks.

Accept the Cassel/Vrable trade. Atlanta gets TG and Couldn't work any other trades and had to do the same trade with the Pats as mentioned earlier. It is the only one that gets back about equal value. I wanted to trade with the Donks and get their 18, 2nd, and 3rd and get Maclin, Cook, and Unger. This gets me Brown, Cook, and Unger. So here are the picks I traded the 3 for 40(500), 41(490), 73(225), 83(175), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2)

40. Everette Brown, OLB
41. Max Unger, C, OG, OT
67. Alex Magee, DE
73. Kraig Urbik, OT
83. Jared Cook, TE
102. Donald Washington, CB
139. Johnny Knox, WR
141. Duke Robinson, OG
175. Quinten Lawrence, WR
212. A.Q. Shipley, C
232.Darryl Richards, DE
234. Chase Patton, QB
256. Succop, K

For now, I might revise.

If I'm not mistaken, we're only a few days away from lockdown so bumping this.

Ooh, thanks. Anyone else want to get in on this? Now's the time.

this seems really cool, it's just too bad I don't care about the chiefs.

I wish someone over on our bears message board would put together something like this... (of course I don't want to run it, lol)

Should check out game 2. I know there are a bunch of people that haven't cut the roster down yet, because I'm one of them I keep forgetting....going to have to do that this weekend or next week sometime.

Okay, everyone, final roster cutdown date for the Chiefs is September 5th, so you need to have your roster cuts by September 8th.


And by the way, check out my new team guys + Tony Gonzalez. I'm the best GM in history.

Question about Step #3. It reads:

"Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 35 Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 18 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub"."

So, just to be clear. When I select my 35 "Chiefs" players, I am also including players who I drafted, or didn't trade away (as would have been the case with Jared Allen) who are on other teams in real life? Pretty sure that's what you mean, but just clarifying.

In this year, it would be:

anyone currently on the Chiefs roster (MINUS anyone acquired by the Chiefs via trade where you rejected the trade)

OR

anyone you drafted

OR

anyone traded away since the game began for whom you REJECTED the trade

OR

anyone acquired via trade since the game began for whom you ACCEPTED the trade

One other question that just came to me. What if I were to decide Sanchez isn't worth it this year and not include him in my top 35. Does that mean he won't be available to me in 2010?

If you drafted Sanchez this year and then cut him in camp, he's gone. He's off selling insurance or even more unfortunate, he's picked up by the Raiders.

Okay, now let's say it's a Chiefs player. I drafted Quinten Lawrence along with the Chiefs. He'll most likely be sitting on the roster next year. If I cut him this year, and he's still a "real" Chief next year. He's he on or off the table for me?

Next year you'll have a new draft, you'll have your 35 players, and you'll have any new free agents that the Chiefs pick up.

Once you reject a player, he's gone forever. Unless, I guess, if he leaves and then comes back later as a free agent, a la Monty Beisel.

Okay, you actually explained that just fine in Step 6. No more dumb questions...at least not tonight.

So here's the process everyone.

First, I will reject the trade that produced Allemand and Ndukwe

Now I get to choose from my rookies:

#3 - Mark Sanchez - QB - USC (went to Jets)
#34 - Rey Maualuga - OLB - USC (went to Bengals)
#67 - Derrick Williams - WR - Penn State (went to Lions)
#102 - D.J. Moore - CB - Vanderbilt (went to Bears)
#139 - Duke Robinson - G - Oklahoma (went to Panthers)
#175 - Myron Pryor - DE - Kentucky (went to Patriots)
#212 - Zack Follett - OLB - California (went to Lions)
#237 - No pick - Rejected Trade
#256 - Alex Boone - OT - Ohio State (not drafted, signed by 49ers)


and the current roster MINUS rookies that I did not draft. (Note that I took the rookies out of this list.) I also include Tony Gonzalez since I rejected that trade, and removed Cassel and Vrabel from the list since I also rejected that trade.


76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
Alleman, Andy OG ACT 6'4" 310 11/20/1983 3 Akron
26 Battle, Jackie RB ACT 6'2" 238 10/1/1983 2 Houston
52 Beisel, Monty LB ACT 6'3" 244 8/20/1978 9 Kansas State
59 Belcher, Jovan LB ACT 6'2" 228 7/24/1987 0 Maine
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
48 Brown, Mike DB ACT 5'10" 207 2/13/1978 10 Nebraska
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/1986 2 Texas
30 Colclough, Ricardo DB ACT 5'11" 195 9/26/1983 6 Tusculum
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee
10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee
42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas
81 Darling, Devard WR RES 6'1" 213 4/16/1982 6 Washington State
72 Dorsey, Glenn DT ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State
95 Edwards, Ron DT ACT 6'3" 315 7/12/1979 9 Texas A&M
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech
43 Gafford, Thomas TE ACT 6'2" 252 1/29/1983 2 Houston
92 Gilberry, Wallace DE ACT 6'2" 268 12/5/1984 2 Alabama
79 Goff, Mike G ACT 6'5" 311 1/6/1976 12 Iowa
88 Gonzalez, Tony TE
15 Gutierrez, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 6/9/1984 3 Idaho State
91 Hali, Tamba DE ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State
56 Johnson, Derrick OLB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas
27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State
69 Lokey, Derek DT RES 6'1" 287 11/25/1985 1 Texas
51 Mays, Corey LB ACT 6'1" 245 11/27/1983 4 Notre Dame
90 McBride, Turk DE ACT 6'2" 278 5/30/1985 3 Tennessee
47 McGraw, Jon DB ACT 6'3" 208 4/2/1979 8 Kansas State
38 Morgan, DaJuan SAF ACT 6'0" 203 10/21/1985 2 North Carolina State
60 Ndukwe, Ike G ACT 6'4" 325 7/17/1982 3 Northwestern
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State
O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
44 Page, Jarrad FS ACT 6'0" 225 10/19/1984 4 UCLA
89 Ryan, Sean TE ACT 6'5" 260 3/27/1980 6 Boston College
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2 Oklahoma State
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis
21 Smith, Kolby RB PUP 5'11" 219 12/15/1984 3 Louisville
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton
4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina
93 Tyler, Tank DT ACT 6'2" 306 2/14/1985 3 North Carolina State
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State
67 Walters, Pierre LB ACT 6'5" 269 3/25/1986 0 Eastern Illinois
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
53 Williams, Demorrio OLB ACT 6'1" 232 7/6/1980 6 Nebraska

So my 40-man roster is:

QB
Mark Sanchez - QB - USC (went to Jets)
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina

HB
27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/1986 2 Texas
26 Battle, Jackie RB ACT 6'2" 238 10/1/1983 2 Houston
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2 Oklahoma State


FB
42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech


WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
Derrick Williams - WR - Penn State (went to Lions)

TE
88 Gonzalez, Tony TE
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis

T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
Alex Boone - OT - Ohio State (not drafted, signed by 49ers)

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
Duke Robinson - G - Oklahoma (went to Panthers)
79 Goff, Mike G ACT 6'5" 311 1/6/1976 12 Iowa

C
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State


K
(Scrub)

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee


FS
44 Page, Jarrad FS ACT 6'0" 225 10/19/1984 4 UCLA

SS
38 Morgan, DaJuan SAF ACT 6'0" 203 10/21/1985 2 North Carolina State


CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State
D.J. Moore - CB - Vanderbilt (went to Bears)

OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State
Rey Maualuga - OLB - USC (went to Bengals)
53 Williams, Demorrio OLB ACT 6'1" 232 7/6/1980 6 Nebraska
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton

ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas
51 Mays, Corey LB ACT 6'1" 245 11/27/1983 4 Notre Dame
52 Beisel, Monty LB ACT 6'3" 244 8/20/1978 9 Kansas State

DE
72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State
Myron Pryor - DE - Kentucky (went to Patriots)
90 McBride, Turk DE ACT 6'2" 278 5/30/1985 3 Tennessee
92 Gilberry, Wallace DE ACT 6'2" 268 12/5/1984 2 Alabama

DT
95 Edwards, Ron DT ACT 6'3" 315 7/12/1979 9 Texas A&M
93 Tyler, Tank DT ACT 6'2" 306 2/14/1985 3 North Carolina State


If I can't get enough games out of these players, I'll be going with "scrubs" to fill out my remaining games.





My Cuts:


59 Belcher, Jovan LB ACT 6'2" 228 7/24/1987 0 Maine
48 Brown, Mike DB ACT 5'10" 207 2/13/1978 10 Nebraska
30 Colclough, Ricardo DB ACT 5'11" 195 9/26/1983 6 Tusculum
10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee
15 Gutierrez, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 6/9/1984 3 Idaho State
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas
81 Darling, Devard WR RES 6'1" 213 4/16/1982 6 Washington State
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State
43 Gafford, Thomas TE ACT 6'2" 252 1/29/1983 2 Houston
Alleman, Andy OG ACT 6'4" 310 11/20/1983 3 Akron
69 Lokey, Derek DT RES 6'1" 287 11/25/1985 1 Texas
47 McGraw, Jon DB ACT 6'3" 208 4/2/1979 8 Kansas State
60 Ndukwe, Ike G ACT 6'4" 325 7/17/1982 3 Northwestern
21 Smith, Kolby RB PUP 5'11" 219 12/15/1984 3 Louisville
67 Walters, Pierre LB ACT 6'5" 269 3/25/1986 0 Eastern Illinois

Here's my attempt so far. Reserving the right to tweak prior to the deadline. Including my draft/trade information as well.

The 2009 Fresno Refugees Offseason Trade Accepts/Rejects

1. The Fresno Refugees reject the Cassel/Vrabel trade.
2. The Fresno Refugees accept the Gonzales trade.
3. The Fresno Refugees accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick.
4. The Fresno Refugees reject the trade that produced Allemand and Ndukwe.

The 2009 Fresno Refugees NFL Draft

#3 - Mark Sanchez - QB - USC
#34 - Clint Sintim - OLB - Virginia
#67 - Chase Coffman - TE - Missouri
#102 - Donald Washington - CB - Ohio State
#139 - Colin Brown - OT - Missouri
#175 - Quinten Lawrence - WR - McNeese State
#212 - Javarris Williams - RB - Tennessee State - CUT (signed to Practice Squad)
#237 - Jake O'Connell - WR - Miami (Ohio)
#256 - Ryan Succop - K - South Carolina

The 2009 Fresno Refugees 35-Man Roster

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen
Matt Gutierrez

RB
Larry Johnson
Jamaal Charles
Jackie Battle
Dantrell Savage

FB
Mike Cox

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Mark Bradley
Quinten Lawrence
Terrance Copper

OL
Branden Albert
Ryan O'Callaghan
Colin Brown
Brian Waters
Rudy Niswanger

TE
Chase Coffman (Bengals)
Sean Ryan
Jake O'Connell

DL
Glenn Dorsey
Tank Tyler
Ron Edwards
Wallace Gilberry
Turk McBride

LB
Derrick Johnson
Tamba Hali
Clint Sintim (Giants)
Corey Mays
Andy Studebaker
Demorrio Williams

DB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
Maurice Leggett
Donald Washington
Jarred Page
Jajuan Morgan

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

Edit: I forgot that I rejected the Tony Gonzalez trade, so I added him to my roster and cut Sean Ryan.

I will reject the trade that produced Allemand and Ndukwe

My rookies:
#3 - Tyson Jackson DE LSU
#34 (Traded for Cassel)
#67 - Kraig Urbik G Wisconsin
#102 - Donald Washington CB Ohio State
#139 - Colin Brown OT Missouri
#175 - Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State
#212 - Javarris Williams RB Tennessee State
#237 - Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU
#256 - Ryan Succop K South Carolina

My 35 man roster:

QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina

HB
27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/1986 2 Texas
26 Battle, Jackie RB ACT 6'2" 238 10/1/1983 2 Houston


FB
42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech


WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State
#175 - Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State

TE
89 Ryan, Sean TE ACT 6'5" 260 3/27/1980 6 Boston College
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee


T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
#139 - Colin Brown OT Missouri

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
#67 - Kraig Urbik G Wisconsin (drafted by Steelers)
79 Goff, Mike G ACT 6'5" 311 1/6/1976 12 Iowa


C
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State


K
#256 - Ryan Succop K South Carolina

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee


FS
44 Page, Jarrad FS ACT 6'0" 225 10/19/1984 4 UCLA

SS
38 Morgan, DaJuan SAF ACT 6'0" 203 10/21/1985 2 North Carolina State
48 Brown, Mike DB ACT 5'10" 207 2/13/1978 10 Nebraska


CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State
#102 - Donald Washington CB Ohio State

OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton

ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas
51 Mays, Corey LB ACT 6'1" 245 11/27/1983 4 Notre Dame
53 Williams, Demorrio OLB ACT 6'1" 232 7/6/1980 6 Nebraska

DE
#3 - Tyson Jackson DE LSU
72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State
92 Gilberry, Wallace DE ACT 6'2" 268 12/5/1984 2 Alabama


DT
95 Edwards, Ron DT ACT 6'3" 315 7/12/1979 9 Texas A&M
93 Tyler, Tank DT ACT 6'2" 306 2/14/1985 3 North Carolina State

Cuts:
52 Beisel, Monty LB ACT 6'3" 244 8/20/1978 9 Kansas State
59 Belcher, Jovan LB ACT 6'2" 228 7/24/1987 0 Maine
30 Colclough, Ricardo DB ACT 5'11" 195 9/26/1983 6 Tusculum
10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas
81 Darling, Devard WR RES 6'1" 213 4/16/1982 6 Washington State
43 Gafford, Thomas TE ACT 6'2" 252 1/29/1983 2 Houston
15 Gutierrez, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 6/9/1984 3 Idaho State
69 Lokey, Derek DT RES 6'1" 287 11/25/1985 1 Texas
90 McBride, Turk DE ACT 6'2" 278 5/30/1985 3 Tennessee
47 McGraw, Jon DB ACT 6'3" 208 4/2/1979 8 Kansas State
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2 Oklahoma State
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis
21 Smith, Kolby RB PUP 5'11" 219 12/15/1984 3 Louisville
67 Walters, Pierre LB ACT 6'5" 269 3/25/1986 0 Eastern Illinois

Okay, I pm'ed everyone who drafted other than bdeg, whose mailbox is full. We're going to go with a 40-Chief roster instead of the 35 stated in the rules, so we aren't too thin at certain positions.

LA Cobras accept Vrabel and cassel trade
LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th

LA Cobras Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)


Man this sucks now all injuries and a dumb ass crabtree I don't want to play lol jk. Ok I'll have my roster tomorrow on my day off also will have my alt 3 roster done

Heh. Only 1 of your top four picks is in camp without a body cast. You're a prime lesson in how luck plays a role.


One of my low-round picks was cut, which was a bummer since I thought he was a steal. They don't all work out, though.

Do we need to have a long snapper?

Nah, no long snapper. Too hard to figure out who does it.

One more dumb question - what about players that are cut, but then signed to the practice squad? Is Barry Richardson off limits now?

Question:

Are our drafts final? I just realized that I don't have a kicker.....and that would suck. Are we allowed to redo our drafts?

You can still put Richardson on your squad since he's on the final roster (even if it's practice squad).

And pestilence, I have the same problem with the kicker. I think it's too late to re-do our drafts, and there's no way to pick one up. Unless people can come up with a reasonable solution, I think you and I are going with Scrubby McScrub as our kicker this year.

Does the scrub count on our 40 man roster?

Maybe you ought to be able to keep players that the Chiefs cut during preseason like Conner Barth and Bernard Pollard. That probably wouldn't do you much good at the kicker position, but you'd at least have a chance that someone would pick Barth up and it's not really much different than deciding to keep a guy who ends up being a backup on another team.

No, the scrubs are the last 13 to get to 53, so you get 40 "name" players.

Hmm, that's an interesting possibility. In most cases it wouldn't be in one's best interests, but it could fill a gaping hole. And it would present the interesting debate of whether one takes a player who's been cut, or just go with a scrub.

What do others think of this idea?

**** my draft sucks after pick #212.

Here is my 40 man roster

QB:

Mark Sanchez
Brodie Croyle
Matt Gutierrez

RB:

Larry Johnson
Jamaal Charles
Jackie Battle

FB:

Mike Cox

WR:

Dwayne Bowe
Mark Bradley
Brandon Gibson

TE:

Brad Cottam

OT:

Brandon Albert
Fenuki Tupou
Barry Richardson
Ryan O'Callaghan

OG:

Brian Waters
Ike Ndukwe
Trevor Canfield
Daryl Harris

OC:

Andy Alleman
A.Q. Shipley

DE:

Jarron Gilbert
Glenn Dorsey

NT:

Chris Baker
Tank Tyler

OLB:

Everette Brown
Lawrence Sidbury
Tamba Hali
Andy Studebaker

ILB:

Corey Mays
Derrick Johnson
Jovan Belcher

CB:

Brandon Flower
Brandon Carr
Maurice Leggett
Ricardo Colclough

S:

Jarrad Page
Mike Brown
DaJuan Morgan

K:

Scrub

P:

Dustin Colquitt

On a depleted roster like the Chiefs, it probably wouldn't make much difference, but if you get to the point where the Chiefs are letting people go who have value it could. The example that comes to mind was the year they cut Ryan Lilja from a team that still had a really good offensive line. Lilja, of course, went on to get a bunch of starts over the next couple of years for the Colts. Punters and kickers who get cut often wind up on other teams too unless they're nobodies like Conner Barth.

LA Cobras accept Vrabel and cassel trade
LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th


LA Cobras
Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)


QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina

HB
27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/1986 2 Texas
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2 Oklahoma State


FB
42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech


WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State
13 - Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State
15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech

TE
89 Ryan, Sean TE ACT 6'5" 260 3/27/1980 6 Boston College
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee


T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis

C

64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State
61 AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) 6'0 298

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee


FS
44 Page, Jarrad FS ACT 6'0" 225 10/19/1984 4 UCLA


SS
48 Brown, Mike DB ACT 5'10" 207 2/13/1978 10 Nebraska
38 Morgan, DaJuan SAF ACT 6'0" 203 10/21/1985 2 North Carolina State



CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State
20 - Donald Washington CB Ohio State

OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton


ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas
51 Mays, Corey LB ACT 6'1" 245 11/27/1983 4 Notre Dame
59 Belcher, Jovan LB ACT 6'2" 228 7/24/1987 0 Maine

DE
94 Tyson Jackson DE LSU
72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State


DT
93 Tyler, Tank DT ACT 6'2" 306 2/14/1985 3 North Carolina State
73 Gilbert, Jarron 6'5 288 San Jose ST


IR:


59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)




Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas
81 Darling, Devard WR RES 6'1" 213 4/16/1982 6 Washington State
43 Gaffrd, Thomas TE ACT 6'2" 252 1/29/1983 2 Houston
15 Gutierrez, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 6/9/1984 3 Idaho State
69 Lokey, Derek DT RES 6'1" 287 11/25/1985 1 Texas
90 McBride, Turk DE ACT 6'2" 278 5/30/1985 3 Tennessee
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis
21 Smith, Kolby RB PUP 5'11" 219 12/15/1984 3 Louisville
26 Battle, Jackie RB ACT 6'2" 238 10/1/1983 2 Houston
ETC

ok here you go

Well...let's see. You don't get to include your draft and the Chiefs draft.

So you can get rid of the following players:

Tyson Jackson
Donald Washington
Colin Brown
Quentin Lawrence

And it's 40 players...not 35.

Sorry dude I was tired I'll fix it

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
83-Brandon Tate
97-Jonathan Luigs
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop

Hopefully this isn't too late

QB Cassel, Croyle
RB LJ Charles Savage
FB Cox
WR Bowe, Bradley, Tate
T Albert, O'Callaghan, Ndukwe
G Waters, Alleman, Robinson, Urbik
C Luigs, Niswanger
TE Cottam

DE Barwin, Brown, Hali, McBride
DT Dorsey, Tank
SLB Vrabel, Mays
MLB Williams, Brinkley
WLB DJ
CB Flowers, Carr, Washington, Leggett
S Pollard, Page, Brown, Morgan
K Succop
P Colquitt

4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina

HB
27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/1986 2 Texas
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2 Oklahoma State

42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech

WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State

LA Cobras accept Vrabel and cassel trade
LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th


LA Cobras
Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)


QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina

HB
27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/1986 2 Texas
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2 Oklahoma State

42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech

WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State
17 Lee lee, Ashley WR
11 Rodney Wright WR

13 - Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State
15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech

TE
89 Ryan, Sean TE ACT 6'5" 260 3/27/1980 6 Boston College
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee


T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis

C

64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State
61 AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) 6'0 298

LA Cobras accept Vrabel and cassel trade
LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th


LA Cobras
Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)


QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina

27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/198 2 Texas
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2
Oklahoma State

42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech

WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State
17 Lee lee, Ashley WR
11 Rodney Wright WR
15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech

TE
89 Ryan, Sean TE ACT 6'5" 260 3/27/1980 6 Boston College
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee


T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis

C
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State
61 AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) 6'0 298

LA Cobras accept Vrabel and cassel trade
LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th


LA Cobras
Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)


QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina

27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/198 2 Texas
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2
Oklahoma State

42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech

WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State
17 Lee lee, Ashley WR
11 Rodney Wright WR
15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech

TE
89 Ryan, Sean TE ACT 6'5" 260 3/27/1980 6 Boston College
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee


T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis

C
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State
61 AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) 6'0 298

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee


FS
44 Page, Jarrad FS ACT 6'0" 225 10/19/1984 4 UCLA
47 McGraw, John

SS
48 Brown, Mike DB ACT 5'10" 207 2/13/1978 10 Nebraska
38 Morgan, DaJuan SAF ACT 6'0" 203 10/21/1985 2 North Carolina State

CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State

OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton


ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas
51 Mays, Corey LB ACT 6'1" 245 11/27/1983 4 Notre Dame
59 Belcher, Jovan LB ACT 6'2" 228 7/24/1987 0 Maine

DE
70 Boone
72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State


DT
93 Tyler, Tank DT ACT 6'2" 306 2/14/1985 3 North Carolina State
73 Gilbert, Jarron 6'5 288 San Jose ST


IR:


59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)




Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas

25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/198 2 Texas
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2
Oklahoma State

42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech

WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State
17 Leele, Ashley WR
15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech

TE
89 Ryan, Sean TE ACT 6'5" 260 3/27/1980 6 Boston College
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee


T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis

C
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State
61 AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) 6'0 298

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee

FS
44 Page, Jarrad FS ACT 6'0" 225 10/19/1984 4 UCLA
47 McGraw, John

SS
48 Brown, Mike DB ACT 5'10" 207 2/13/1978 10 Nebraska
38 Morgan, DaJuan SAF ACT 6'0" 203 10/21/1985 2 North Carolina State

CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State

OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton


ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas
51 Mays, Corey LB ACT 6'1" 245 11/27/1983 4 Notre Dame
59 BElcher, Jovan ILB 6'2" 228. Maine

DE
70 Boone
72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State


DT
93 Tyler, Tank DT ACT 6'2" 306 2/14/1985 3 North Carolina State
73 Gilbert, Jarron 6'5 288 San Jose ST


IR:


59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)




Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas

LA Cobras accept Vrabel and cassel trade
LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th


LA Cobras
Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)


QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina

RB
27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/198 2 Texas
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2
Oklahoma State

42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech

WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State
17 Leele, Ashley WR
15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech

TE
89 Ryan, Sean TE ACT 6'5" 260 3/27/1980 6 Boston College
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee


T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis

C
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State
61 AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) 6'0 298

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee

FS
44 Page, Jarrad FS ACT 6'0" 225 10/19/1984 4 UCLA
47 McGraw, John

SS
48 Brown, Mike DB ACT 5'10" 207 2/13/1978 10 Nebraska
38 Morgan, DaJuan SAF ACT 6'0" 203 10/21/1985 2 North Carolina State

CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State

OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton


ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas
51 Mays, Corey LB ACT 6'1" 245 11/27/1983 4 Notre Dame
59 Belcher, Jovan 6'2" 228 Maine

DE
70 Boone
72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State


DT
93 Tyler, Tank DT ACT 6'2" 306 2/14/1985 3 North Carolina State
73 Gilbert, Jarron 6'5 288 San Jose ST


IR:


59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)




Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas

There you go final team roster

Kind of dreading it, but what is the deadline for Step 4?

I think we can start any time. I'm busy at work, so I haven't done it yet to make the template for everybody. Maybe the next couple of weeks or so.

Okay, from what I can tell, we had six players who finalized their rosters. Can you look at the enclosed spreadsheet and let me know if you want to change anything on the depth chart? I'll pm the six players.

Since our roster is at 40 right now, I'm tempted to add any players who were picked up in midseason, since they can only help people (other than maybe Lance Long). Would anyone have a problem with me slotting them in?

Mid-season additions by the Chiefs include:

Tim Castille, FB
Chris Chambers, WR
Travis Daniels, CB
Dion Gales, DT
Bobby Greenwood, DE
Reshard Langford, S
Lance Long, WR
Kestahn Moore, RB
Leonard Pope, TE
Jermail Porter, OL
Ricky Price, S
Bobby Wade, WR
Pierre Walters, LB
Chandler Williams, WR

Do we want to have the opportunity to add these guys to our roster before the judging?

I'm down with adding them in. God knows I need WR help bad.

I'm OK with adding them.

LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th


LA Cobras
Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)


QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC 15

12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama 1

4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina 0


RB

27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State 2

25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/198 2 Texas 14

42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech 13

46 Tim CAstile 3


WR

82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State 12

80 Bobby wade 9 games

11 Chris chambers 4

17 lance long 8

15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech 7

TE

49 Pope 10

87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee 6



T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia 14 games

75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California 15

63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech 1

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas 15

74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis 9

60 andy allerman 7

C
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State 16

61 AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) 6'0 298

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina 16

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee 16

FS
44 Page, Jarrad FS ACT 6'0" 225 10/19/1984 4 UCLA 12
47 McGraw, John 4

SS
48 Brown, Mike DB ACT 5'10" 207 2/13/1978 10 Nebraska 16
38 Morgan, DaJuan SAF ACT 6'0" 203 10/21/1985 2 North Carolina State

CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech 15
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State 16
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State 1

OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State 16
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State 14
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton 2


ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas 10
51 Mays, Corey LB ACT 6'1" 245 11/27/1983 4 Notre Dame 16
59 Belcher, Jovan 6'2" 228 Maine 6

DE
70 Boone 14
72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State 14
73 Gilbert, Jarron 6'5 288 San Jose ST 2

DT
93 Tyler, Tank DT ACT 6'2" 306 2/14/1985 3 North Carolina State 16
73 Gilbert, Jarron 6'5 288 San Jose ST


IR:


59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)




Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas

Okay, let's add them in. If you can open the spreadsheet, you can replace scrubs with these players, or I guess you could even cut players if you want, though I see no real reason to do that. Maybe if you've already got that position filled you might want to do it.

Why? We're not settling on a final roster this time, correct? I've got guys on my roster with zero starts - do I need to even bother listing them? Should starts add up to 16 per position?

You should list them for depth. Starts should add up to 16, but if your roster has less than that you'll need to use scrubs to fill it out.

Which brings up a question. Can you use backups? Maybe what we really should do is use games as the measure, and you can start a guy 16 weeks if he played in 16 games. That way, for example, you could use a Wallace Gilberry instead of a scrub if you didn't have enough defensive end starts.

Yeah, that's the way it should work. So Bowe, for instance, could get up to 12 starts since he played in 12 games. Charles could start 15 games if he was active in 15. (I think he was inactive one week.) And so on.

I'll go with whatever, but sticking to starts only might make it less complicated, and easier to see who has the better team. I'm thinking voting for this is going to be a challenging event.

Okay, here are the final rosters. I brought us all up to 53 people. I'll post the poll on the main page.

Updated with draft picks held.