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ChiefRocka 02-15-2013 11:41 AM

Bitcoin Take?
 
Bitcoin disrupts gold
Ethereum disrupts financial services
There will be others...


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bevischief 02-15-2013 12:00 PM

Why and where did you hear of this? This can lead to things you really don't what to know about.

notorious 02-15-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9405326)
This can lead to things you really don't what to know about.

DC?

Rausch 02-15-2013 12:03 PM

This post is extremely ****ing stupid...

ptlyon 02-15-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9405340)
This post is extremely ****ing stupid...

Only WE can make it better!

Mr. Flopnuts 02-15-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 9405382)
Only WE can make it better!

Together is powerful!

bowener 02-15-2013 01:04 PM

I thought I read once there is 1 guy that holds the majority of BitCoins in "circulation". I read that a year or two ago, so it has probably changed, but I would say he has cornered the market, so to speak.

Fish 02-15-2013 01:08 PM

I've currently got a Bitcoin account with Coinbase.com. I've made several purchases with it already. The only problem I had is that it's sloooooooooooow. It took about 4 days to process my last transaction.

It's not bad. It has a ways to go before it's ever ready for mainstream...

ptlyon 02-15-2013 01:14 PM

I'm really questioning the level of commitment of CP regarding this thread

FD 02-15-2013 01:16 PM

Its customer base is almost entirely composed of criminals and goldbug ideologues, which to me suggests its not very sustainable. Its an interesting experiment, though.

ChiefRocka 02-15-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9405340)
This post is extremely ****ing stupid...

http://mlkshk.com/r/42BJ

WhitiE 04-06-2013 12:09 PM

Bump?
My brother is talking to me about mining. Anyone got advice/info?

BryanBusby 04-06-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9405340)
This post is extremely ****ing stupid...

Much like bitcoins themselves. It's hilarious seeing how the shit basically has zero stability in value.

Outside of buying illegal drugs off silkroad and hilarious posts on the buttcoin forums when someone gets hacked and loses like 100k actual money in them, have no idea what value it has.

shitgoose 04-06-2013 12:23 PM

wtf is bitcoin?

FD 04-06-2013 01:04 PM

Here is a pretty good, if long, take: https://medium.com/money-banking/2b5ef79482cb

AustinChief 04-06-2013 02:34 PM

With the new ASIC hardware coming out later this month... bitcoin mining is going to explode. In theory, a $10k investment in hardware would pay itself off in less then a month and be all profit from there on out. Of course you only would have a year or two max to make that profit in... but hell if it is 20 months of $10k+ profit, that's not too shabby.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-06-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WhitiE (Post 9561397)
Bump?
My brother is talking to me about mining. Anyone got advice/info?


Yes. Wear a helment.

WhitiE 04-06-2013 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9561672)
Yes. Wear a helment.

The light on the front optional?

AustinChief 04-06-2013 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WhitiE (Post 9561803)
The light on the front optional?

no way! that is mandatory!

WhitiE 04-06-2013 03:40 PM

I guess ill just duct tape my flashlight....

WhitiE 04-06-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9561663)
With the new ASIC hardware coming out later this month... bitcoin mining is going to explode. In theory, a $10k investment in hardware would pay itself off in less then a month and be all profit from there on out. Of course you only would have a year or two max to make that profit in... but hell if it is 20 months of $10k+ profit, that's not too shabby.

My brother is wanting to buy two of the ACIS from BFL. He said theres a waiting list so he is looking for other options

Hammock Parties 04-06-2013 03:50 PM

It's great for buying drugs and underage pr0n on the deep web.

You're burning money if you invest for any other reason.

AustinChief 04-06-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9561832)
It's great for buying drugs and underage pr0n on the deep web.

You're burning money if you invest for any other reason.

Unless you are mining.. in which case you are "creating" money.. so long as there is a market for it... and until it hits its cap in a few years (or more)

Hammock Parties 04-06-2013 04:10 PM

Aren't the electricity costs prohibitive?

AustinChief 04-06-2013 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9561869)
Aren't the electricity costs prohibitive?

not with the new ASICs but yeah in the past you ate up all your profits by running a crapload of high wattage GPUs. I think the current gen ones coming out in Late April will cost less then $1/day to run. Which is why I expect an explosion in miners.

WhitiE 04-06-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9561894)
not with the new ASICs but yeah in the past you ate up all your profits by running a crapload of high wattage GPUs. I think the current gen ones coming out in Late April will cost less then $1/day to run. Which is why I expect an explosion in miners.

Thanks for a little info AC

Fish 04-10-2013 08:15 PM

Wow.... Bitcoin is kinda going crazy right now.

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Bitcoin, the digital currency, lost more than $160 (£104) in value on Wednesday, just hours after hitting a record high.

The currency hit a new high of $266 before falling to $105 and then bouncing back to $130. The fall is unlikely to put off speculators. Two months ago, a Bitcoin was worth $20.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...igh-losing-160
I just looked at my Bitcoin balance... I've made several hundred dollars on the value of my Bitcoins.. Sounds like if I would have checked yesterday and cashed some out, I would have had twice as much.. When I bought Bitcoins, I only paid $20 a piece..

Simply Red 04-10-2013 08:17 PM

I've got to do it again - sorry in advance.


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Simply Red 04-10-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9561894)
not with the new ASICs

Onitsuka Tigers for the win...:p

CoMoChief 04-10-2013 08:22 PM

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Saulbadguy 04-10-2013 08:29 PM

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Simply Red 04-10-2013 08:34 PM

Look at that subtle off-white coloring; the tasteful thickness of it... Oh my God, it even has a watermark.

CrazyPhuD 04-10-2013 08:46 PM

Sorry I've only used them when trading in illicit Chinese swamp eels.

CrazyPhuD 04-10-2013 08:50 PM

But seriously, both the mining methods and the crypto behind bitcoin WILL be broken. It's only a matter of time and I'd bet it will end up being much sooner than later. When either of those events happen the system gets ****ed.

While government sponsored currency also has risks of counterfeiting and fraud, they rev the system so they don't tend to happen on a large scale. When Bitcoin breaks it's likely to break very badly. With governments, outside of failing ones, they have an incentive in making things right if you're a victim of fraud, who's going to do that here? If you get ****ed you're probably going to stay ****ed.

TribalElder 04-10-2013 08:50 PM

Market tanked today

Everyone was unloading them getting rich

scho63 04-11-2013 04:06 PM

This is the modern day Tulip Bulb craze that occurred in the 1600's.

Bitcoin bursts: Hacker currency gets wild ride

http://news.yahoo.com/bitcoin-bursts...--finance.html

LONDON (AP) — It's a promising form of electronic cash free from central bankers and beloved by hackers. It — Bitcoin — may also be in trouble, registering catastrophic losses that have sent speculators scrambling.

Although the cybercurrency has existed for years as a kind of Internet oddity, a perfect storm of developments have brought it to the cusp of mainstream use.

As currency crises in Europe piqued investors' interest, a growing number of businesses announced they were accepting bitcoins for an ever-wider range of goods and services. The value of a single bitcoin began racing upward amid growing media attention, smashing past the $100 mark last week before more than doubling again in just a few days.
Then came the crash.

The price of Bitcoin has imploded, falling from around $266 on Wednesday to just above $40 on Thursday, according to bitcoincharts.com, which tracks trades across the Internet. The best-known exchange, Tokyo-based Mt. Gox, has suspended trading for what it described as a 12-hour "market cooldown." By late Thursday, the currency was back up to just more than $100.

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Halfcan 04-11-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FD (Post 9405564)
Its customer base is almost entirely composed of criminals and goldbug ideologues, which to me suggests its not very sustainable. Its an interesting experiment, though.

You are exactly are exactly right- in the future- the world will be in short supply of drug dealers and people trying to launder money-lol


The biggest prob is that is fluctuates from $50 to $250 back to $100 in a week-lol

AustinChief 04-11-2013 04:29 PM

ok, there are a lot of people here who don't seem to understand bitcoin at all.

#1 YES it is vulnerable to hackers.. but not in the way you would think. Hackers don't attack the currency itself. (well occasionally they do steal wallet files just like real world pickpockets) What they do is attack the currency trading sites. This tends to drive prices down. Sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. When the prices go down, they swoop in and buy low then sell high. It's not really a big deal and likely will work itself out over time.

#2 yes someday the ACTUAL cryptography will be much easier to "hack" but we are not anywhere CLOSE to that right now. We are (at current rates) DECADES away from that being even a consideration. UNLESS people get off their asses and put out some serious quantum computers.

#3 See above for concerns about mining... it's the same issue.

Halfcan 04-11-2013 04:33 PM

I do see this as useful for transfering money accross borders- western union charges a lot and has all kinds of restrictions. It wont be long before the Gov- clamps down on it and tries to tax it in some way or ban it.

alnorth 04-11-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FD (Post 9405564)
Its customer base is almost entirely composed of criminals and goldbug ideologues, which to me suggests its not very sustainable. Its an interesting experiment, though.

This.

Until merchants start hopping on board (and no, I'm not talking about a random bar in New York, I mean Wal-Mart), this is going nowhere.

Bitcoin is being supported by crazy libertarian idealists, and as a way to launder drug money.

Cornstock 04-11-2013 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 9578643)
I do see this as useful for transfering money accross borders- western union charges a lot and has all kinds of restrictions. It wont be long before the Gov- clamps down on it and tries to tax it in some way or ban it.

How could they possibly regulate it though? It has no connection to the Fed-that is the exact reason for it, to be a Fed killer. It can be traded through the internet or through an exchange off of a thumb drive, emailed, what-have-you. It has not physical presence to be confiscated. Because its not affiliated with a country, no country has the right to tax it.

Any action they took would be completely unenforceable.

Hammock Parties 04-11-2013 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 9578643)
I do see this as useful for transfering money accross borders- western union charges a lot and has all kinds of restrictions. It wont be long before the Gov- clamps down on it and tries to tax it in some way or ban it.

The government can't touch this.

The deep web is a goddamn labyrinth.

And remember, this is the GOVERNMENT we're talking about. They couldn't stop their own http://www.ussc.gov/ site from getting raped by Anonymous, not to mention the hack of the Federal Reserve.

Fish 04-11-2013 05:30 PM

It's not a Fed Killer. Don't believe the Alex Jones bullshit. There's no devious intentions at all other that establishing a global online currency system base free of government or territorial rule.

Cornstock 04-11-2013 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9578792)
It's not a Fed Killer. Don't believe the Alex Jones bullshit. There's no devious intentions at all other that establishing a global online currency system base free of government or territorial rule.

I really don't see it as one either, but for various reasons of varying legality, it would be nice to be able to move $10K without being scrutinized or taxed. The Fed killer idea is a mere pipe dream of only the most fervent state-of-nature advocates.

teedubya 04-11-2013 07:46 PM

I have 25 bitcoins that I've been playing with... bought a few months ago for around $10... I took a $250 risk and now it's worth over $2500.

I love the concept of it, since I hate the greedy international bankers in control of the central banks, fractional reserve banking, and fiat currency.

alnorth 04-11-2013 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 9579186)
I have 25 bitcoins that I've been playing with... bought a few months ago for around $10... I took a $250 risk and now it's worth over $2500.

I love the concept of it, since I hate the greedy international bankers in control of the central banks, fractional reserve banking, and fiat currency.

I wish I would have gotten into mining bitcoins a couple years ago with my computer. People who did that early made money if they cash out now.

Thats probably the only thing worthwhile about bitcoin, you can use your computer to try to earn a tiny fraction of a bitcoin per day, and then sell them to speculators for real money until this bubble pops. At this point though, the difficulty level for earning bitcoins has been raised so much, that it wont pay the electric bill for the watts your CPU is burning trying to earn them. I'm not even bothering to switch from giving my computer cycles away for free in BOINC.

If you leave your computer on running idle 24/7 even when you aren't using it, it still might be worth doing. At these current high exchange rates, if you join a mining pool you might make enough fractions of a bitcoin to buy a coke each week or two.

demonhero 04-11-2013 09:14 PM

I bought 62 of these when they were trading for $116 and sold them when the were @ $203. The market right now says anywhere from 70 to 100 and that depends on if you can get the bitcoins privately or publicly. I use https://mtgox.com/ if you are interested. This isn't for everybody and here is a brief introduction to bitcoins:

http://blog.bitcointitan.com/post/17...as-commodities

Quote:

Bitcoin Titan & Trading Titan
Bitcoin & Trading Titan Blog

About Bitcoin Titan & Trading Titan

Bitcoin related news and market commentary.
What U.S. Regulations Apply to Bitcoins as Commodities?

Are bitcoins commodities? In a previous article I showed that, under U.S. law, bitcoins are neither securities nor currency. So, what are bitcoins? Furthermore, what regulations, if any, apply to bitcoins designated as a commodity?

Bitcoins Are Commodities

Bitcoins are commodities. A “commodity” is defined under U.S. law as “[a] useful thing; an article of commerce; a moveable and tangible thing produced or used as the subject of barter or sale.” Ballentine’s Law Dictionary; See State ex rel. Moose v Frank, 114 Ark 47, 169 SW 333. A thing is tangible if it is “[c]apable of being possessed or realized; readily apprehensible by the mind; real; substantial; evident.” Ballentine’s Law Dictionary; See Williams v Board of Comrs. 84 Kan 508, 114 P 858.

Bitcoins are tangible, because each bitcoin is constructively possessed. Constructive possession is “control or dominion over a property without actual possession,” compared to actual possession, which is “[p]hysical occupancy or control over property” (Black’s Law Dictionary (9th ed. 2009), possession). U.S. courts have interpreted constructive possession to include, “an appreciable ability to guide the destiny” of the thing. United States v. Culpepper, 834 F.2d 879, 881 (10th Cir. Kan. 1987). Examples include electronic contracts, currency, child pornography, etc. See Pyro Spectaculars North, Inc. v. Souza, 2012 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 15801, 9-10 (E.D. Cal. Feb. 8, 2012); United States v. Moreland, 665 F.3d 137 (5th Cir. Miss. 2011); Walker v. United States, 2010 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 108981 (M.D. Ga. May 24, 2010); United States v. Riccardi, 258 F. Supp. 2d 1212 (D. Kan. 2003). Furthermore, many statutory provisions rely on constructive possession of electronic data, e.g., UCC 9-102(31) and 9-105.

Bitcoins are clearly useful articles of commerce capable of being possessed. Bitcoins are traded online every day for goods, services, U.S. dollars, and other currency. Each bitcoin is also controlled by a specific user. Even though every node on the bitcoin peer-to-peer network has knowledge of the bitcoins in each bitcoin wallet, however, the bitcoins in a particular wallet can be distributed only by the person with the bitcoin wallet.

U.S. Regulations Imposed on Commodity Contracts

Bitcoin is a commodity, but currently most bitcoin transactions are not subject to regulation by the U.S. Commodity Futures Trade Commission (“CFTC”), because bitcoins fall under an exception, 7 U.S.C. 1A(19). The CFTC was created by the U.S. congress through the Commodity Futures Trading Commission Act of 1974 (the “‘74 Act”). The mandate for the CFTC has been renewed through the recent Dodd-Frank Act. The ‘74 Act §2(a)(1)(A) gave the CFTC “exclusive jurisdiction” over all transactions that are substantially similar to, or commonly known as, an “option”, “bid”, “offer”, “put”, “call”, etc., and “transactions involving contracts of sale of a commodity for future delivery.”

The U.S. does not regulate commodity contracts whether delivery is made at the point of purchase (“PoP”), or is deferred; but, commodity options contracts are heavily regulated by the CFTC. See The Commodity Futures Trading Commission Act of 1974. The CFTC interprets the meaning of commodities broadly. A ”commodity” as defined under Commodity Exchange Act (7 U.S.C. 1A(4)) is:

wheat, cotton, rice, corn, oats, barley, rye, …, livestock, livestock products, …, and all services, rights, and interests …, in which contracts for future delivery are presently or in the future dealt in.

Not intuitively, however, the CTFC limited the use of the term “future delivery” such that the CFTC does not regulate commodities futures contracts (Commodity Exchange Act (7 U.S.C. 1A(19)):

The term “future delivery” does not include any sale of any cash commodity for deferred shipment or delivery.

A cash commodity is simply an actual physical commodity someone is buying or selling.

It is important to understand that even though the the ‘74 Act states “contracts of sale of a commodity for future delivery,” the types of contracts for future delivery regulated by the CFTC are traditionally known as options. Therefore the use of the term “forward contract” will refer to the commodity contracts exempted from regulation by the CFTC, the use of the term “options contract” will refer to the commodity contracts regulated by the CFTC. See In re Stovall, [1977-1980 Transfer Binder] Comm. Fut. L. Rep. (CCH) (CFTC Dec. 6, 1979).; and CFTC v. Zelener, 387 F.3d 624 (7th Cir. Ill. 2004). The issue then is to determine if the sale of a commodity is a forward contract or an options contract.

Differences Between Commodity Forward Contracts and Commodity Options Contracts

Forward contracts (a subset of futures contracts) are transferable contractual agreements to buy or sell a fixed amount of a certain commodity on a specified date; options contracts are the right to buy or sell a specified amount of a commodity within a certain period of time at a given price (called the strike price). Commodity Futures Trading Com. v. U. S. Metals Depository Co., 468 F. Supp. 1149, 1154-1155 (S.D.N.Y. 1979). Three functional distinctions between forward contracts and options contracts are (id. at 1155):

The holder of a forward contract is obligated to receive the commodity, whereas a holder of an options contract is not;
The price of a forward contract is applied to the ultimate sales price of the commodity, whereas the price of an option charges the buyer an initial nonrefundable premium; and
Profit of a forward contract is realized when the actual sale price of the commodity exceeds the purchase price of the contract, whereas profit of an options contract is realized when price of the commodity increases beyond the strike price plus the premium.

U.S. courts look at three factors to determine whether a commodities contract is an options contract (including transactions in options involving foreign currency) (In re Stovall, [1977-1980 Transfer Binder] Comm. Fut. L. Rep. (CCH) (CFTC Dec. 6, 1979)):

Directed operation to the general public,
Standardized contracts, which resemble futures contracts, and
Where the buyer does NOT take delivery of the commodity (most important).

The focus of the factors is to determine if the parties’ had a general expectation of delivery of the underlying commodity. See Id. In Stovall’s case, there was a single receiver for all purchasers of the contracts, therefore the court found that the contracts Stovall referred to as forward contracts were, instead, correctly designated as options contracts. Remember, U.S. courts will look to substance over form to determine whether a commodity contract is a forward or options contract. See Commodity Futures Trading Com. v. U. S. Metals Depository Co., 468 F. Supp. 1149.

Even commodity options contracts based on “spot and cash market” (e.g. contracts related to silver bullion, silver coin, foreign currency, etc. where the commodity is immediately received) are not beyond the scope of the ‘74 Act. CFTC v. American Board of Trade, Inc. 473 F. Supp. 1177 (S.D.N.Y. 1979). Metals Depository Co. sold options contracts of gold and silver, and argued that the ‘74 Act did not regulate options contracts unless those options pertain to future delivery. Id. The court disagreed and ruled that the ‘74 Act gives the CFTC exclusive jurisdiction over all commodity options contracts, including options contracts for foreign currency. Id.

Bitcoins are commodities, but, for the vast majority of transactions, bitcoins are not regulated by the CFTC. Most transactions on bitcoin exchanges are directed to the general public, however, standard contracts are not used and the buyer does intend to accept delivery of the bitcoins sold.

There are a handful of websites online that sell bitcoin forward contracts. These bitcoin forward contracts are usually sold by individual bitcoin miners. Successfully mining fifty bitcoins can take months, even for miners with considerable computing power. The BTCUSD market (where bitcoins are sold for U.S. dollars), however, is very volatile and subject to frequent crashes, and miners have a strong incentive to hedge against potential BTCUSD (or other currency) downturns by selling futures contracts. Furthermore, futures contracts provide leverage for miners to buy equipment to increase bitcoin production.

Bitcoin forward contracts do not have any of the characteristics of an options contract, and thus do not fall under the jurisdiction of the CFTC. The seller is obligated to send, and the buyer is obligated to receive, the bitcoins bargained for; the seller does not merely give the value the buyer would have received had the bitcoins actually been sent and received. The price of the forward contract is the price the bitcoins are being sold for, not simply a premium for the option to buy the bitcoins at a later time. The profit is realized when the bitcoins are received and exchanged, not when the exchange rate increases beyond both a strike price plus a non-refundable premium. Thus, bitcoin forward contracts are not regulated by the CFTC.

Bitcoin forward contracts sold primarily by large mining pools are not common place yet, however, bitcoin futures contract markets may soon evolve and become mainstream. Pools are groups of miners that combine computing power to increase the production of bitcoins. Pools divide the bitcoins produced between the members of the pool based on the amount of computing power donated by each member. The majority of bitcoins successfully mined are done so through mining pools because the combined computing power of a pool typically far outweighs an individuals computing capacity.

If a standardized futures market emerges where the sellers of the contracts are miners or mining pools, then contracts will likely not fall under the regulatory regime of the CFTC. If, however, a standardized futures market emerges where buyers may resell contracts, those transactions will fall under the jurisdiction of the CFTC. The most important prong of “the options test” is whether the buyer takes delivery of the commodity. In re Stovall, [1977-1980 Transfer Binder] Comm. Fut. L. Rep. (CCH) (CFTC Dec. 6, 1979). As long as buyers do not become the sellers, then clearly the buyers will take delivery of the commodity, and the CFTC does not have jurisdiction.

The emergence of bitcoin exchanges and brokers like Mt. Gox (largest bitcoin exchange located in Japan) and Bitcoinica (written by a 17 year old in Singapore), bring to light the realization that Bitcoin is dominated by nerds with the capacity to implement complex financial infrastructures and instruments very quickly. Bitcoinica, in particular, which already offers margin and interest bearing deposit accounts, may soon provide a standardized market for bitcoin futures contracts. It may also decide to offer bitcoin options contracts. I expect, however, strictly based on the overhead of regulation, to see standardized bitcoin futures contracts sold exclusively by mining pools, followed closely behind by bitcoin options contracts.

TribalElder 04-11-2013 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by demonhero (Post 9579400)
I bought 62 of these when they were trading for $116 and sold them when the were @ $203. The market right now says anywhere from 70 to 100 and that depends on if you can get the bitcoins privately or publicly. I use https://mtgox.com/ if you are interested. This isn't for everybody and here is a brief introduction to bitcoins:

http://blog.bitcointitan.com/post/17...as-commodities

you should buy again they are at about $66.00 lol
https://btc-e.com/

Thig Lyfe 04-11-2013 10:40 PM

I use bitcoins to buy all my gold and Glenn Beck t-shirts.

Psyko Tek 04-11-2013 11:15 PM

so how you all doing now?

teedubya 04-12-2013 03:21 PM

AustinChief or others - What do you think of this PC for bitcoin mining?

http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/

Or the Avalon ASICS?

http://store.avalon-asics.com/?product=avalon-asic-unit

They both are out of stock right now...

Does mining over GoogleFiber provide any advantages with bitcoin mining?

demonhero 04-12-2013 04:24 PM

....

you can make 10-15% by just reselling. shit, if you bought bitcoins @ $60 yesterday you could have sold them today and made profit.

lcarus 04-12-2013 04:28 PM

For whatever reason, I read the thread title as if a foreigner was offering me a Bitcoin.

AustinChief 04-12-2013 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 9580935)
AustinChief or others - What do you think of this PC for bitcoin mining?

http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/

Or the Avalon ASICS?

http://store.avalon-asics.com/?product=avalon-asic-unit

They both are out of stock right now...

Does mining over GoogleFiber provide any advantages with bitcoin mining?

In THEORY the BFL has better bang for the buck but I honestly don't know. Good luck getting your hands on one... damn things (from what I hear) take MONTHS to ship.

damaticous 04-12-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cornstock (Post 9578816)
I really don't see it as one either, but for various reasons of varying legality, it would be nice to be able to move $10K without being scrutinized or taxed. The Fed killer idea is a mere pipe dream of only the most fervent state-of-nature advocates.

Feds got their hands on Napster and the like. At that time everyone thought there was not way it could happen because it was p2p as well.

I'd be extremely weary of investing.

alnorth 04-12-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by damaticous (Post 9581098)
Feds got their hands on Napster and the like. At that time everyone thought there was not way it could happen because it was p2p as well.

I'd be extremely weary of investing.

Napster is a company that could be sued, with executives who could be taken down.

Nobody runs bitcoin. Its just out there. Its still probably not a good investment.

ChiefRocka 11-18-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 9579717)
so how you all doing now?


http://hothardware.com/newsimages/It...coin_Graph.jpg

BWillie 11-18-2013 12:14 PM

Ive heard that if you bought bitcoin 2 years ago, they would be worth at least 10 times that now.

No?

|Zach| 11-18-2013 12:25 PM

U.S. Agencies to Say Bitcoins Offer Legitimate Benefits

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...-benefits.html

The Department of Justice and Securities and Exchange Commission are telling a U.S. Senate committee that Bitcoins are legitimate financial instruments, boosting prospects for wider acceptance of the virtual currency.

Representatives from the agencies told the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs ahead of a hearing today that the digital money offers benefits and carries risks, like any other online-payment system, according to letters they released before the meeting.

The committee scheduled the hearing “to explore potential promises and risks related to virtual currency for the federal government and society at large” after the Silk Road Hidden Website was shut down in October. The closing of the marketplace, where people could obtain drugs, guns and other illicit goods using Bitcoins, is helping fuel a rally in the virtual currency as speculators bet that the digital money will gain more mainstream acceptance.

“The FBI’s approach to virtual currencies is guided by a recognition that online payment systems, both centralized and decentralized, offer legitimate financial services,” Peter Kadzik, principal deputy assistant attorney general, wrote in a letter yesterday. “Like any financial service, virtual currency systems of either type can be exploited by malicious actors, but centralized and decentralized online payment systems can vary significantly in the types and degrees of illicit financial risk they pose.”

Virtual Money

Introduced in 2008 by a programmer or group of programmers going under the name of Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin is being used to pay for everything from gourmet coffee to smartphones on the Internet. There are almost 12 million Bitcoins in circulation, according to Bitcoincharts, a website that tracks activity across various exchanges.

SEC Chairman Mary Jo White said in a letter yesterday that the coins “likely would be securities and therefore subject to our regulation.’
Bitcoins reached a record high and were trading for $509 apiece at 8:57 a.m. on Bitstamp, one of the more active online exchanges, where the digital money is traded for dollars, euros and other currencies. The virtual currency is up more than 30-fold so far this year.

‘‘Two years ago it was alarm when Silk Road first came on the scene,’’ said Jerry Brito, senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University who is also testifying in front of the committee today. ‘‘Since then, Congress has been educating itself and understands that there are great potential benefits, and like any new technology there are going to be some challenges. But they see there is a balance to be struck here and they are generally positive on the technology.’’

Gaining Acceptance

Since the virtual currency exists as software that’s designed to be untraceable, it’s an attractive tender for those seeking to transact anonymously via the Web. While the closing of Silk Road initially caused the digital money to lose a third of its value within days, have recovered and rallied to record levels as speculators and investors bet that the currency will be less of a fad and gain more mainstream acceptance.

Ben Bernanke, chairman of the Federal Reserve, is also weighing in on the hearing, saying that it has no plans to regulate the currency.

‘‘Although the Federal Reserve generally monitors developments in virtual currencies and other payments system innovations, it does not necessarily have authority to directly supervise or regulate these innovations or the entities that provide them to the market,” Bernanke wrote in a letter to the committee.
The hearings will bolster the view that Bitcoins are an acceptable alternate means of conducting transactions, and that their use will grow, said Brito.

“These hearings means Bitcoin is finally coming into its own; it’s a real thing and it’s not going anywhere and these hearings highlight that,” he said.

Eleazar 11-18-2013 12:40 PM

Here's an idea: Why don't you give me half the money your were gonna to invest, then we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the nuts, and we'll call it a day?

Eleazar 11-18-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 10202374)
But my 5K turned into 20K this month :D

I'm waiting to cash in all my Liberty Dollars, they're down a bit right now but I'm sure they will be rebounding soon.

FD 11-18-2013 02:27 PM

Serious advice here, anyone with bitcoins should sell them as soon as they can. Sure, it may go higher, but this bubble will inevitably pop, take what you can and don't try to time the top of the market.

loochy 11-18-2013 02:27 PM

Hey guys I made up a currency based on lego blocks?

You can buy 3 blocks from me for $50 or 1 brick for $100.

notorious 11-18-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 10202401)
Hey guys I made up a currency based on lego blocks?

You can buy 3 blocks from me for $50 or 1 brick for $100.

I am a billionaire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

loochy 11-18-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10202423)
I am a billionaire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nope

those are counterfeit mega-bloks

ChiefRocka 12-03-2013 11:36 AM

and going...

taterhog 12-03-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FD (Post 10202400)
Serious advice here, anyone with bitcoins should sell them as soon as they can. Sure, it may go higher, but this bubble will inevitably pop, take what you can and don't try to time the top of the market.

agreed. Get in on lightcoins before they potentially trend up. At least you have a chance of mining with decent results there.

Fish 12-03-2013 03:23 PM

Ooops...

Man Throws Away 7,500 Bitcoins, Now Worth $7.5 Million

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...h-7-5-million/

bowener 12-03-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by taterhog (Post 10245766)
agreed. Get in on lightcoins before they potentially trend up. At least you have a chance of mining with decent results there.

In 2009/2010 I was reading about bitcoins, and became quite intrigued. I had an extra $100 to blow, and about pulled the trigger on this, but opted not to. I most likely wasted that $100 on beer. I am sad now.

CoMoChief 12-03-2013 04:05 PM

I love Max Keiser...dudes hilarious

taterhog 12-04-2013 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 10246186)
In 2009/2010 I was reading about bitcoins, and became quite intrigued. I had an extra $100 to blow, and about pulled the trigger on this, but opted not to. I most likely wasted that $100 on beer. I am sad now.

That $100 would have you rolling right now.

If you get in early enough, mining makes the most sense. Even with bitcoins you could still mine them, but jesus it would take forever in comparison to even last year. Not saying the next ____coin is going to amount to anything, but if you have a decent graphics card at the very minimum you could start mining and see what happens without spending any money.

Halfcan 12-06-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9561663)
With the new ASIC hardware coming out later this month... bitcoin mining is going to explode. In theory, a $10k investment in hardware would pay itself off in less then a month and be all profit from there on out. Of course you only would have a year or two max to make that profit in... but hell if it is 20 months of $10k+ profit, that's not too shabby.

Did you buy the mining equipment?

Halfcan 12-06-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FD (Post 10202400)
Serious advice here, anyone with bitcoins should sell them as soon as they can. Sure, it may go higher, but this bubble will inevitably pop, take what you can and don't try to time the top of the market.

So what is this bubble that will burst? If the market cap is 21 million bitcoins or something like that and there are 12 million now-when it hits the cap it will be worth more than all the gold in the world-would it not?

I have seen several reports that people are just hoarding the coins. There are still wild swings but Bitcoins just passed the value of Gold before declining.

People are holding them thinking they will go up another 100 times in value within a year. Some economist with Bank of America state the value should be $1300 right now.

So how many Bitcoins do you guys own now and are you investing for the long term??

TambaBerry 12-08-2013 11:03 PM

I just started mining litecoins, I get a projected .09 per day.

beach tribe 12-09-2013 07:43 AM

Really want to get some bit coins and find Silk road.
I can sell some of that "product" at a HUGE profit.
And the customers are dedicated repeat customers.

taterhog 12-09-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10262773)
Really want to get some bit coins and find Silk road.
I can sell some of that "product" at a HUGE profit.
And the customers are dedicated repeat customers.

lol

Yeah, because silk road didn't make national news for getting popped already. Dig deeper. lol

ChiefRocka 02-24-2014 10:43 AM

- Mt. Gox exchange fails... Bitcoin down to mid $500s
- Winklevoss twins the new face of bitcoin
- First Bitcoin ATMs in America
- Overstock.com & TigerDirect.com accept Bitcoin as payment
- US working on Bitcoin regulation

Train is leaving the station.

digger 02-28-2014 07:22 AM

And poof..............

http://gizmodo.com/mt-gox-is-filing-...ium=socialflow

ChiefRocka 02-28-2014 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by digger (Post 10458390)

Just one entitiy that didn't have its shit together. Price is holding and China is hoarding these things.

htismaqe 02-28-2014 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 10450258)
- US working on Bitcoin regulation

That pretty much guarantees they'll be worthless soon.


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