Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9230349)

So hire whoever the **** you want to do whatever the **** you want, just fire Pioli and draft a QB? Bullshit.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9230356)

Quarterback is a deal-breaker, in terms of turning things around. If they don't find a franchise player behind center, they're not going to go anywhere, not in today's NFL. And let's be serious here, has any team valued the position less than Kansas City? Aside from Trent Green for a 1st (and people will debate his value; I think he was more than capable of winning a championship), they haven't made any real effort to reliably shore up the position in the last two decades. We have a long string of other teams' backups, journeymen players, and other bargain basement options.

A retread only works if it's someone along the lines of Drew Brees (or again, Green, although people will still debate his value to this day). And, I'm sorry, but that just doesn't happen very often. It's an aberration, not something you can count on, not a reliable way of doing business. The only way you're going to pick up a starter from another team is either a) when he's on the downside of his career (like Manning), or b) when a team has two starting caliber QBs and they can't keep them both (who's had that since SD in '06?). Aside from that, NFL teams simply do not let quality quarterbacks go. And that's why, when you're in a position to do it, you absolutely MUST draft one.

Which is why, if they're sitting there with the 1st pick in april, and they don't draft a quarterback, then I'm just not going to believe there's any conceivable way that this franchise is going to turn itself around.

And as far as the head coach goes, he's far less important in my mind than whoever they get behind center. Which is not to say he's not very important, but this franchise will continue to swirl around the bowl if they keep running out the kind of quarterbacks that are available in free agency or for 2nd round picks.

This year is their opportunity, and they'd better not waste it. You don't get to pick #1 (or #2, if that's where they fall) very often. Assuming they lose out (which they may not; this franchise loves to shoot itself in the foot) they aren't going to have to move to get it done, so there won't be any real excuses like when Ryan or Stafford went a few picks earlier.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9230356)

Quarterback is a deal-breaker, in terms of turning things around. If they don't find a franchise player behind center, they're not going to go anywhere, not in today's NFL. And let's be serious here, has any team valued the position less than Kansas City? Aside from Trent Green for a 1st (and people will debate his value; I think he was more than capable of winning a championship), they haven't made any real effort to reliably shore up the position in the last two decades. We have a long string of other teams' backups, journeymen players, and other bargain basement options.

A retread only works if it's someone along the lines of Drew Brees (or again, Green, although people will still debate his value to this day). And, I'm sorry, but that just doesn't happen very often. It's an aberration, not something you can count on, not a reliable way of doing business. The only way you're going to pick up a starter from another team is either a) when he's on the downside of his career (like Manning), or b) when a team has two starting caliber QBs and they can't keep them both (who's had that since SD in '06?). Aside from that, NFL teams simply do not let quality quarterbacks go. And that's why, when you're in a position to do it, you absolutely MUST draft one.

Which is why, if they're sitting there with the 1st pick in april, and they don't draft a quarterback, then I'm just not going to believe there's any conceivable way that this franchise is going to turn itself around.

And as far as the head coach goes, he's far less important in my mind than whoever they get behind center. Which is not to say he's not very important, but this franchise will continue to swirl around the bowl if they keep running out the kind of quarterbacks that are available in free agency or for 2nd round picks.

This year is their opportunity, and they'd better not waste it. You don't get to pick #1 (or #2, if that's where they fall) very often. Assuming they lose out (which they may not; this franchise loves to shoot itself in the foot) they aren't going to have to move to get it done, so there won't be any real excuses like when Ryan or Stafford went a few picks earlier.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9230367)

i'm trying to be nice...

obviously we all want a great coach and gm to be hired

but the bottom line is simple....you have to draft a QB with the #1 pick

end of story

any other answer is pussy bullshit, a cop out, the same loser nonsense we lived with for decades

the amount of energy chiefs fans spend trying to justify not drafting a QB is frankly amazing...and depressing

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9230371)

See, this is the kind of logic that makes me think the QB is more important than the GM (which is really what this is about), but really it's just mental masturbation. We need both.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9230375)

Dude, I'm not trying to justify it at all. Just throwing out some discussion. I've been on the franchise QB or bust train as long as anyone.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9230366)

Farmer and Schott aren't Pioli and Crennel. So that fulfills item #1.

Are they going to draft Geno? If yes, that fulfills item #2.

So I would give that tandem a chance.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9230381)

He's more important in the grand scheme of things, but you can't have a great one with a shitty other.


So yeah, you need both.

But if I could have Tom Brady, I'd keep Pioli. But thats the reason we are having this conversation. It's not because I don't think the GM isn't as important as the QB, it's that you have to have a GM that realizes HE isn't the most important thing and he has to GET the most important thing.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9230371)

See, this is the kind of logic that makes me think the QB is more important than the GM (which is really what this is about), but really it's just mental masturbation. We need both.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9230371)

See, this is the kind of logic that makes me think the QB is more important than the GM (which is really what this is about), but really it's just mental masturbation. We need both.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9230383)

So really, the QB is more important than the GM and coach to you. That's fine. That's what I'm wrestling with. See, I think Geno is ****ing wasted on guys like that. He washes out of the league, busts, those guys get fired, and we call for it to happen all over again in 30 years.

And that's really my fear. We don't hire the right guys, we draft a QB, he busts, and we **** it off for 30 more years because we may get another Todd Blackledge.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9230383)

So really, the QB is more important than the GM and coach to you. That's fine. That's what I'm wrestling with. See, I think Geno is ****ing wasted on guys like that. He washes out of the league, busts, those guys get fired, and we call for it to happen all over again in 30 years.

And that's really my fear. We don't hire the right guys, we draft a QB, he busts, and we **** it off for 30 more years because we may get another Todd Blackledge.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9230393)

True.

Great GMs and coaches come from ****ed up situations all the time.

Great QBs usually do not.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9230402)

I'm convinced there have been some great QB's that have busted like a mother****er due to horrendous coaching. Alex Smith, and Brady Quinn are two of those guys.