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aturnis 12-28-2012 03:18 PM
How many points have been scored off of turnovers this season? I wouldn't know where to find a state like that.

OnTheWarpath15 12-28-2012 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9246381)
Do you agree or disagree with my assessment of the following players:

Albert (if healthy) is a solid LT.
Bowe is a fringe #1 WR.
Hali is a solid OLB.
Houston is a solid OLB.
DJ is a solid ILB.
Flowers is a solid corner.

That's a pretty talented core, IMO, and those positions are pretty tough to fill. A competent GM could supplement this talent pretty quickly, IMO, but it all hinges on first getting the QB.
If you're talking to me...

Yes. I would agree with that assessment.

EDIT: This is the same core (minus Houston) we all thought would be easy to build around in 2009.

Yet four years later, we've won 23 games in four years.

Because we don't have much talent outside the core.

BlackHelicopters 12-28-2012 03:22 PM
Don't enjoy being lumped in with OAK, BUFF and CLE. Shitholes. Guess that makes the Chiefs shitty by association. Sad.

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 03:23 PM
With Peyton Manning on this team, it wins 10.

Or Rodgers, Brady, etc.

Add a solid coaching staff and it wins 12 or 13.

This years debacle is a direct result of 30 turnovers from 2 shitty QBs.

DeezNutz 12-28-2012 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9246386)
If you're talking to me...

Yes. I would agree with that assessment.

Now - how would you compare that core to the "core" of Oakland, Buffalo, Cleveland, Miami and Jacksonville over the past 4 years?
Let's just take OAK. The only position I'd trade with them would be their DTs. Different scheme, of course, but they're stout along the line.

Cleveland is interesting. Better OT play, overall. Pretty close in terms of WR and RB play.

They also have a #1 CB.

In terms of age, they might be better situated than KC, but it's damn close.

DeezNutz 12-28-2012 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9246386)
If you're talking to me...

Yes. I would agree with that assessment.

EDIT: This is the same core (minus Houston) we all thought would be easy to build around in 2009.

Yet four years later, we've won 23 games in four years.

Because we don't have much talent outside the core.
Yep. My first post in this thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9246294)
We're in much the same position now as in '09. There is a talented core of players. Unfortunately, the majority of this core is now four years older because Pioli was truly terrible at his job.

Hootie 12-28-2012 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9246392)
With Peyton Manning on this team, it wins 10.

Or Rodgers, Brady, etc.

Add a solid coaching staff and it wins 12 or 13.

This years debacle is a direct result of 30 turnovers from 2 shitty QBs.
And terribly soft, anti-aggressive defensive scheming

OnTheWarpath15 12-28-2012 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9246389)
Don't enjoy being lumped in with OAK, BUFF and CLE. Shitholes. Guess that makes the Chiefs shitty by association. Sad.
That's the point.

People would rather make excuses for, or flat-out overvalue the talent level on this roster than admit that we really are as bad as tire fire organizations like Jacksonville, Oakland and Cleveland over the past four years.

BlackHelicopters 12-28-2012 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9246397)
That's the point.

People would rather make excuses for, or flat-out overvalue the talent level on this roster than admit that we really are as bad as tire fire organizations like Jacksonville, Oakland and Cleveland over the past four years.
Quit insulting tire fires.

OnTheWarpath15 12-28-2012 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9246392)
With Peyton Manning on this team, it wins 10.

Or Rodgers, Brady, etc.

Add a solid coaching staff and it wins 12 or 13.

This years debacle is a direct result of 30 turnovers from 2 shitty QBs.
So it's going to take one of the greatest QB's in the history of professional football to win 10 games with this roster in the weakest division in the NFL.

Case closed, Your Honor.

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 03:28 PM
With average QB play and fewer turnovers, there is 5 or 6 more wins this season.

Hootie 12-28-2012 03:28 PM
well thank God that didn't happen

I'll call this season a total success once Pioli/Crennel get canned, Cassel gets cut, and we draft Geno. Best season in a long, long, long, long, long time

OnTheWarpath15 12-28-2012 03:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9246404)
With average QB play and fewer turnovers, there is 5 or 6 more wins this season.
And if my aunt had a cock and balls, she'd be my uncle.

Hootie 12-28-2012 03:29 PM
Pioli's best move?

Letting Orton walk and bringing in "competition" named Brady Quinn for Matt Cassel!

Thanks, Scott!!

DeezNutz 12-28-2012 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9246409)
Pioli's best move?

Letting Orton walk and bringing in "competition" named Brady Quinn for Matt Cassel!

Thanks, Scott!!
Yep. We might look back on all of this and decide that Pioli was the biggest blessing in disguise if Geno lives up to his potential.


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