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milkman 01-20-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9335217)
I appreciate the effort of the OP, but he does not tell me which passes were defensed effectively and whether it was or was not a result of poor placement by the QB. To me, those are very important pieces to the eval and that is what makes Geno attractive to any pass offense, is his consistency in getting the ball right where it needs to be for his WR's.

I've watched enough on Geno to see he is going to need to adjust his reads a bit in the NFL because defenders are much faster, more creative in coverage and will jump routes on some passes he'd normally get away with in college. But this is true of any QB -- college is one thing, the NFL is something else.

He does have some issues he will need to improve on right away, and some of them are his footwork. It's been said, he does look down his guys sometimes too, he will need to become better at "hat str8, eyes moving". Not a big deal.

Now the one thing he needs to get better at is pocket awareness -- he tends to lose track of pressure at times. This one is big. He doesn't have the natural footwork to ascape easily and that can be dealt with using your scheme/play calling during certain situations where you know the defense is going to pin their ears back and go at him. But he's a tall guy, has that high release and I think a good coach can help him handle himself better as a QB under pressure.

His pocket awareness is as good as any college QB.

Where he needs work is improving his pre-snap outside blitz reads.

milkman 01-20-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 9335209)
I'll trust that you've watched far more of him than I have. The little I've seen does have me question his big arm. Not saying he's Pennington-weak, I just felt it wasn't a huge arm. But I won't die on that hill, and defer to folks who have spent more time studying him than me.

Smith's arm strength is undersold.

He has a tendency to throw off his back foot, or to not follow through with his front foot stepping into a throw.

When his mechanics are sound, he drives his hips through the ball and throws lasers.

Good coaching will get him to be more consistent with proper mechanics.

BossChief 01-20-2013 02:42 PM

Andy Reid and Geno Smith are a match made in heaven.

Sully 01-20-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9335482)
Smith's arm strength is undersold.

He has a tendency to throw off his back foot, or to not follow through with his front foot stepping into a throw.

When his mechanics are sound, he drives his hips through the ball and throws lasers.

Good coaching will get him to be more consistent with proper mechanics.

I think that's probably my issue with him. The clips I've seen, on longer or harder passes, he looks sloppy, and also like he's throwing his whole body into the throw, where other QBs with "huge" arms don't seem to have to torque as much on those throws.

But, admittedly, what the hell do I know about it?

mdchiefsfan 01-20-2013 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 9335209)
I'll trust that you've watched far more of him than I have. The little I've seen does have me question his big arm. Not saying he's Pennington-weak, I just felt it wasn't a huge arm. But I won't die on that hill, and defer to folks who have spent more time studying him than me.

Go to youtube and look for Geno Smith vs. Baylor 2012. The man has at least 4 passes of 25+ yards. That video will show you how little effort those long passes require from him. I would embed but I'm on mobile.

KCrockaholic 01-20-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 9335602)
I think that's probably my issue with him. The clips I've seen, on longer or harder passes, he looks sloppy, and also like he's throwing his whole body into the throw, where other QBs with "huge" arms don't seem to have to torque as much on those throws.

But, admittedly, what the hell do I know about it?

I don't see anything wrong with using his body to get more power into the throws. An arm thrower is what will get you in trouble.

As long as Geno is using his proper technique he's extremely accurate and he generates plenty of power into his throws. Arm strength is anything BUT an issue with him.

His wide stance in the pocket is a negative IMO. Such as seen in the avatar pic.

The only issues with him at the next level will be the mental part. But that can be said for any rookie.

mdchiefsfan 01-20-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9335651)
I don't see anything wrong with using his body to get more power into the throws. An arm thrower is what will get you in trouble.

As long as Geno is using his proper technique he's extremely accurate and he generates plenty of power into his throws. Arm strength is anything BUT an issue with him.

His wide stance in the pocket is a negative IMO. Such as seen in the avatar pic.

The only issues with him at the next level will be the mental part. But that can be said for any rookie.

mental stage, as you said, is the toughest part evaluate. But I'm at ease with him because of how many people attest to him being a student of football and his love for learning the game. Him saying he felt the game wasn't him against the defense, but him against the defensive coordinator, really illuminates his mental approach to the game. I think next year, if we draft him, will have it's shares of ups and downs, he might not even blossom until late next year, but hell be worth the ceiling Andy Reid can get him to achieve.

Ace Gunner 01-20-2013 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9335472)
His pocket awareness is as good as any college QB.

Where he needs work is improving his pre-snap outside blitz reads.

ya, it's good most of the time. just saying what I noticed when Geno wasn't playing well. he was hit some during the k state game.

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-20-2013 03:46 PM

Colt McCoy had better stats !

Ace Gunner 01-20-2013 04:24 PM

tackled by his OL

...oops, wrong thread..

HolyHat 01-22-2013 01:14 PM

This is worth bringing back to the top, after this nonsense Nassib lover who just claimed Geno has accuracy issues. SMH

suds79 01-22-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9335157)
I wouldn't mind Tavon coming to KC too and bringing that sweet YAC with him as well.

This.

Tavon IMO is the Russel Wilson of WRs in this class. Incredible talent. But will drop due to size.

If you watched WV this year, it was clear that Tavon Austin was the best player on that team. And I'm a Geno guy.

I take Geno 1 and Tavon with that 2nd rounder in a second if he's on the board.

MIAdragon 01-22-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9335494)
Andy Reid and Geno Smith are a match made in heaven.

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