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Al Bundy 11-27-2012 08:16 PM

Skip Towne moved to Minnesota?

Dayze 11-27-2012 09:16 PM

never ever ever ever ever speak to the Po Po.
I'm not saying that he's right etc, but he made some remarks that probably ****ed him over good.

bowener 11-27-2012 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Literature (Post 9157560)
Who gets shot and then laughs moments later because the second shot was jammed?

The same person that came downstairs in a strangers house to investigate gunshots....

FAX 11-27-2012 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NIUhuskies (Post 9157637)
there has to be more to this story

Clearly.

There's just too much in the initial report that makes no sense. He's hanging out in the basement with no eyeballs. Perp #2 hears gunshots in the basement and goes down to check it out. Then, after being gut shot, Perp #2 laughs at Moleman's ineptitude at gun play. Moleman drags the bodies around, then delays contacting the authorities for a full day. Even then, Moleman asks his neighbor to make the call.

Nope. I think you're right, Mr. NIUhuskies. I think there's more to the story. In fact, I think there's a different set of facts entirely. I think Moleman had invited the two teenagers over to the house to engage in some sort of drug transaction or whatever. Then, Moleman lost a few more precious marbles and took out his guests. Afterwards, Moleman made up this wacky cover story in an effort to claim self-defense. Unfortunately for Moleman, he is probably the worst alibi fabricator in the entire universe.

FAX

stonedstooge 11-27-2012 11:06 PM

I think a mental evaluation is the first order of business

Easy 6 11-27-2012 11:09 PM

Something definitely stinks, its not really adding up.

When he says a line like "it was a good, clean finishing shot" "right up under her chin"... the only reasonable conclusion is that this man is certifiable, to look upon two kids and do that, and wait a day before calling... get him behind bars asap.

The girl actually laughed? i call bullshit, the only possible way thats true is if Marcellus' bath salts usage theory is right, anything else, and what that crazy bastard heard was death weezes... and hopefully the coroner will answer that question soon enough.

It all stinks.

displacedinMN 11-28-2012 06:32 AM

New story today-MPLS Star trib 11-28

Slain teenage cousins linked to an earlier Little Falls break-in?

Investigators were working late Tuesday to determine whether the two teenage cousins slain during a home burglary in Little Falls, Minn., on Thanksgiving Day committed a similar crime just hours before the fatal shootings.

Preliminary findings suggest that Nick Brady, 17, and Haile Kifer, 18, were involved in another break-in Wednesday night, 6 miles south of the home where Byron Smith claims he shot them in self-defense, said Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel. Smith, 64, a retired U.S. State Department worker, is charged with second-degree murder in the double shooting, which Wetzel has characterized as "cold-blooded" executions carried out after the teens were disabled by initial shots.

In the latest development, investigators are piecing together evidence recovered from a red Mitsubishi Eclipse that Brady had been driving, and which was discovered Friday parked a block away and around the corner from Smith's property, 3 miles north of Little Falls.

That same car was seen in a driveway last Wednesday evening 3 miles south of Little Falls, in the vicinity of a house belonging to Richard L. Johnson, a retired Little Falls High School teacher who had been in Spain until Sunday evening.

Wetzel confirmed that deputies who had been called to the Johnson neighborhood about the car identified it as one used by Brady, but not registered to him.

The sheriff also said that Brady had walked up to the car, was questioned by the deputies and released. The burglary at Johnson's home was at that time undiscovered, he said.

"There are some preliminary indications that the Johnson burglary may have been committed by the Brady boy and the Kifer girl, but it's too early now to say definitively, but tomorrow morning [Wednesday] we'll have some more information and determine whether they're connected," Wetzel said.

Johnson said the items he reported stolen included less than $5 worth of pennies kept in a box on his dresser, silver and copper coins from foreign countries, and an assortment of prescription medication, including drugs for diabetes and controlling cholesterol. Johnson, 68, said the thieves had broken a sliding glass door at his house.

Wetzel could not immediately confirm whether any of Johnson's property was found in the car that Brady and Kifer left parked near Smith's house before they were slain. He said investigators are tracing an assortment of items.

Smith's brother, Bruce Johnson of California, whom Byron Smith called after the shootings, said his brother reported about $10,000 worth of items stolen in an Oct. 27 burglary, including guns, a camera and $3,000 to $4,000 in cash.

He said the Oct. 27 break-in was the latest in a string of six to eight before the shootings Thanksgiving Day.

The sheriff said he did not have the burglary report regarding the late October burglary that Byron Smith reported.

"I don't have the reports in front of me to indicate precisely what was found. I do know they found quite a bit of evidence in their vehicle that was parked near the Smith place," the sheriff said late Tuesday. "We're trying to investigate whether it might have come from the Johnson burglary."

Johnson, who taught 32 years at Little Falls High, said he didn't know Kifer or Brady, though he knew one of their siblings.

"The whole thing is very sad that they lost their lives," he said. "In the same instance, if they hadn't been breaking into houses, they'd be alive."

LOCOChief 11-28-2012 07:30 AM

If anyone unknown to me or my family breaks a window and enters my home I will execute them. This is sad and it's wrong that he waited to call the police which brings into question his entire account of events. But plenty of innocent people / families have been murdered in thier own homes by intruders. I think even if I was protecting my family and put in a position where I had to kill somone I would regret it the rest of my life but I wouldn't hesitate even one moment and always shoot to kill.

Dartgod 11-28-2012 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LOCOChief (Post 9158779)
I think even if I was protecting my family and put in a position where I had to kill somone I would regret it the rest of my life but I wouldn't hesitate even one moment and always shoot to kill.

Even if the first shots had disabled the intruders to the point of removing the threat?

Lonewolf Ed 11-28-2012 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 9157521)
He shot them when there legs/hips came into view as they were coming down the stairs. My guess is he didn't want to wait for a body/head shot in case they were armed (he was robbed of two guns a month prior, probably the same kids).

What is really odd about his story is after he shot the boy twice, then the girl came down the stairs, too? Wouldn't she have headed for the way out instead once she heard a mini 14 shot?

Dave Lane 11-28-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9157519)

It makes you wonder if those kids broke in his house at all.

FAX

This was the very first thing that came to mind. Maybe they walked through his yard and he lured them in. Guy deserves to spend the rest of his days in prison, period.

Frazod 11-28-2012 09:59 AM

Some additional thoughts on this:

Sounds like these kids were basically terrorizing this guy. I've been in a situation before where somebody kept ****ing with me at my apartment (showing up with 5 guys in the middle of the night, blowing up M-80s on the porch, etc.) and I can tell you, it really makes you crazy. I had to run that ****er off at gunpoint a couple of times and really, really wanted to end him, so I understand this guy's frustration. Add in him being an old man and completely isolated, and well, I don't excuse his actions, but I get why he snapped.

Also, sounds like these kids were complete ****ing vermin, bravo for removing them from the gene pool.

Rain Man 11-28-2012 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9158847)
Even if the first shots had disabled the intruders to the point of removing the threat?

They'll heal eventually and won't be friendly.

I'm not saying that's a reason to finish them off, but it's a rationale.

When I was in high school, my father got attacked at work by a couple of thugs. (He ran a restaurant and they came in at night and just did a random attack.) He had to testify against them in court and they got sent to prison for a couple of years, and when it was time for them to get out it was very worrisome. We got new beefy locks on our doors and all kinds of stuff.

Rain Man 11-28-2012 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9158876)
This was the very first thing that came to mind. Maybe they walked through his yard and he lured them in. Guy deserves to spend the rest of his days in prison, period.

Given the fact that they had been breaking into other houses, I think we can reject this theory. However else we judge the situation, we can safely conclude that the kids were scum.

Radar Chief 11-28-2012 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lonewolf Ed (Post 9158864)
What is really odd about his story is after he shot the boy twice, then the girl came down the stairs, too? Wouldn't she have headed for the way out instead once she heard a mini 14 shot?

A rational person would but a rational person isn’t going to go breaking into other people’s houses either.


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