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scho63 12-12-2012 04:54 PM

ESPN radio hosts mock transgender college ball player
 
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This has got to be the ugliest and scariest looking women I've seen.

HeShe is 50 years old, was a dude, had his balls and dong clipped, and now plays for a women's college team in California. (Where else but in the land of fruits and nuts!)

This is gross..........:eek:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2276979.html

UPDATE: Steve Czaban and Andy Pollin were temporarily suspended from hosting their show, USA Today reported late Tuesday.

A gay sports outlet has called for the suspension of ESPN Radio/Washington D.C. hosts Steve Czaban and Andy Pollin for mocking transgender college basketball player Gabrielle Ludwig. (Hear the segment above.)

Ludwig, 50, of Fremont, Calif., earned national attention last week when she made her debut for Mission College in the Bay Area 32 years after playing as a man in college. (Watch the video below.)

Outsports says Czaban and Pollin committed a flagrant foul on their Thursday show, referring to Ludwig as "he/she" and "it" while making snide remarks about her appearance.

The news outlet also cited Czaban's conclusion that transgender athletes should not play sports: ”Whatever you’ve got to do to scratch that inner itch and quell those inner demons, that’s fine," he said. "But don’t go playing sports then. And don’t go playing sports saying, ‘but I’ve go the rights of everyone else.' "

Outsports wrote:
"There is simply no legitimate reaction the station could possibly have but to suspend everyone involved. These are disgusting comments of the highest order, meant to demean another human being who has broken no rules and no laws. These men are a disgrace to their profession, and they should be suspended without pay."
The two hosts issued a brief apology on Monday. Chuck Sapienza, the station's vice president for programming, told USA Today the hosts' remarks were "extremely insensitive" and dealt with swiftly, but he could not disclose any punishment.

Stewie 12-12-2012 04:56 PM

Liam says, "That's a handsome woman!"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._TIFF_2008.jpg

listopencil 12-12-2012 04:57 PM

Don't people have limited college eligibility? Or maybe that's some NCAA rule and this college isn't part of the NCAA?

ModSocks 12-12-2012 04:59 PM

OMFG

It has a bad ass Tribal Wolf Tatt.

ModSocks 12-12-2012 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 9203247)
Liam says, "That's a handsome woman!"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._TIFF_2008.jpg

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Titty Meat 12-12-2012 05:00 PM

That's gross

Titty Meat 12-12-2012 05:00 PM

Too fat/ Omaha

htismaqe 12-12-2012 05:00 PM

Jesus, think she has a competitive advantage?

Crush 12-12-2012 05:05 PM

I just threw up. That's ****ing disgusting.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2012 05:07 PM

MAN HANDS

Marcellus 12-12-2012 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9203258)
Jesus, think she has a competitive advantage?

Somebody at that college had to think that was good idea.

htismaqe 12-12-2012 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9203276)
Somebody at that college had to think that was good idea.

Yep.

"Hey, let's get a center that's 12" taller than every other player in our league. And she's built like a man too!"

Chief Roundup 12-12-2012 05:09 PM

Freaks can't handle being called Freaks. Fat people can't handle being called Fat and so on. Almost no matter how a person phrases what they say it is still wrong.
Everyone else has to change or except it, but not the people that changed or have a different perception of reality.

Munson 12-12-2012 05:09 PM

That's a huuuuuuge bitch! ROFL

Crush 12-12-2012 05:14 PM

THE LACES WERE IN!!!

Gadzooks 12-12-2012 05:14 PM

It's teamates are nappy headed hoes

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-12-2012 05:14 PM

Boar semen > Huge Bitch

ImAWalkingCorpse 12-12-2012 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9203295)
Boar semen > Huge Bitch

http://05.images.fireden.net/wp-cont...-man-baby-.jpg

BlackHelicopters 12-12-2012 05:23 PM

Can she/he read a defense and throw more than a five yard out pass?

scho63 12-12-2012 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9203310)
Can she/he read a defense and throw more than a five yard out pass?

:thumb:

HeShe definitely looks like HeShe belongs on the football team or as a shot putter!

Bugeater 12-12-2012 05:40 PM

Oh good grief. Was anyone besides the gay sports outlet offended?

FAX 12-12-2012 07:19 PM

I hope Mr. frazod has his glasses tonight.

FAX

Reaper16 12-12-2012 07:25 PM

Questioning the competitiveness and sportsmanship of allowing her to play = fair game, worth discussing

Calling her "it" and "he/she" and whatever other epithets they used = not okay.

aturnis 12-12-2012 07:34 PM

Do what you want to the "body", it still ain't a Ferrari...

big nasty kcnut 12-12-2012 07:41 PM

finkle is ehinhorn ehinhorn is finkle. ehinhorn is a man.

Toadkiller 12-12-2012 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9203530)
Questioning the competitiveness and sportsmanship of allowing her to play = fair game, worth discussing

Calling her "it" and "he/she" and whatever other epithets they used = not okay.


:thumb::bravo:

cosmo20002 12-12-2012 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9203243)
This has got to be the ugliest and scariest looking women I've seen.

HeShe is 50 years old, was a dude, had his balls and dong clipped, and now plays for a women's college team in California. (Where else but in the land of fruits and nuts!)

This is gross..........:eek:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2276979.html

UPDATE: Steve Czaban and Andy Pollin were temporarily suspended from hosting their show, USA Today reported late Tuesday.

A gay sports outlet has called for the suspension of ESPN Radio/Washington D.C. hosts Steve Czaban and Andy Pollin for mocking transgender college basketball player Gabrielle Ludwig. (Hear the segment above.)

Ludwig, 50, of Fremont, Calif., earned national attention last week when she made her debut for Mission College in the Bay Area 32 years after playing as a man in college. (Watch the video below.)

Outsports says Czaban and Pollin committed a flagrant foul on their Thursday show, referring to Ludwig as "he/she" and "it" while making snide remarks about her appearance.

The news outlet also cited Czaban's conclusion that transgender athletes should not play sports: ”Whatever you’ve got to do to scratch that inner itch and quell those inner demons, that’s fine," he said. "But don’t go playing sports then. And don’t go playing sports saying, ‘but I’ve go the rights of everyone else.' "

Outsports wrote:
"There is simply no legitimate reaction the station could possibly have but to suspend everyone involved. These are disgusting comments of the highest order, meant to demean another human being who has broken no rules and no laws. These men are a disgrace to their profession, and they should be suspended without pay."
The two hosts issued a brief apology on Monday. Chuck Sapienza, the station's vice president for programming, told USA Today the hosts' remarks were "extremely insensitive" and dealt with swiftly, but he could not disclose any punishment.

Bring in for a look?

Frazod 12-12-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9203517)
I hope Mr. frazod has his glasses tonight.

FAX

A. Bite me

B. At first I thought it was Liam Neeson in drag. Ugh.

mikey23545 12-12-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9203243)
Outsports wrote:
"There is simply no legitimate reaction the station could possibly have but to suspend everyone involved. These are disgusting comments of the highest order, meant to demean another human being who has broken no rules and no laws. These men are a disgrace to their profession, and they should be suspended without pay."


Oh, grow a pair for cripes sake.

Saul Good 12-12-2012 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9203530)
Questioning the competitiveness and sportsmanship of allowing her to play = fair game, worth discussing

Calling her "it" and "he/she" and whatever other epithets they used = not okay.

Agreed.

I wouldn't have a problem if they referred to this person as "he" or "she", but "he/she" is intentionally dehumanizing. Nobody deserves that.

Chiefaholic 12-12-2012 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 9203600)
Oh, grow a pair for cripes sake.

They did and they're kept in a glass jar over the fireplace mantel.

Chiefaholic 12-12-2012 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9203605)
Agreed.

I wouldn't have a problem if they referred to this person as "he" or "she", but "he/she" is intentionally dehumanizing. Nobody deserves that.

Rashaan Shehee would disagree

Chief3188 12-12-2012 08:30 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fdejJGbaRV...0/ladybugs.png

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A Salt Weapon 12-12-2012 08:34 PM

I support the radio hosts and if I owned espn I would have given them a promotion.
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Demonpenz 12-12-2012 08:37 PM

probably wants her boyfriend to watch someone sex her in the butthole from POF

Saul Good 12-12-2012 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9203652)
probably wants her boyfriend to watch someone sex her in the butthole from POF

There's a Plenty of Fish joke in there somewhere, but I don't really want to go there.

Lonewolf Ed 12-12-2012 08:45 PM

The Bride of Frankenstein lives!

pr_capone 12-12-2012 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9203530)
Questioning the competitiveness and sportsmanship of allowing her to play = fair game, worth discussing

Calling her "it" and "he/she" and whatever other epithets they used = not okay.

agreed

jjjayb 12-12-2012 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9203530)
Questioning the competitiveness and sportsmanship of allowing her to play = fair game, worth discussing

Calling her "it" and "he/she" and whatever other epithets they used = not okay.

He/she chose to cut his/her balls off. He/She made the choice. They should be able to say whatever the **** they want to. She needs to grow a pair back.

Ultra Peanut 12-13-2012 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9203530)
Questioning the competitiveness and sportsmanship of allowing her to play = fair game, worth discussing

Calling her "it" and "he/she" and whatever other epithets they used = not okay.

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA

TLO 12-13-2012 12:29 AM

ROFL
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9203667)
There's a Plenty of Fish joke in there somewhere, but I don't really want to go there.


Cephalic Trauma 12-13-2012 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 9204030)
He/she chose to cut his/her balls off. He/She made the choice. They should be able to say whatever the **** they want to. She needs to grow a pair back.

Totally, man. Because he (at the time) just woke up one day and decided to "chop his balls off". Like, "****, these things are gettin heavy. Maybe I'll try to be a woman for a while."

:rolleyes:

T-post Tom 12-13-2012 03:04 AM

The fans found this whole affair, "inspirational"? Really? :hmmm:

NJChiefsFan 12-13-2012 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9204105)
Totally, man. Because he (at the time) just woke up one day and decided to "chop his balls off". Like, "****, these things are gettin heavy. Maybe I'll try to be a woman for a while."

:rolleyes:

I would imagine it was something more along the lines of always feeling like they are the other sex mentally and then finally deciding to change. (edit)

I will say this, if you do a thing like this, you better be somebody ready to handle the heat that comes from it. If they break down whenever they hear a thing said about them then what the hell were they thinking? That being said....

I am not a big P.C. person. To me my issue wouldn't be with PC but with not being consistent with your own standards. If you are somebody that calls anyone out and easily throws them in a harsh joke then this falls in the same boat. If you wouldn't call an ugly woman "it" on the radio then I don't think you should call this person "it" either. My moral line as a boss would be there. If we are a show where you can't make a person feel like less than a person, then this is off limits. If we are a show where all bets are always off, then whatever.

I just don't think that because this person decides they want to switch that it means we are morally off the hook for treating them different than we treat other people. Again, I don't see it as PC but more just being consistent. If you treat others with respect due to morals, then I think you should do the same in this case or I think you are contradicting yourself imho. Their choice to switch doesn't remove that moral obligation you had prior to the switch. If everyone is fair game to you, then fine, this is too.

Fire Me Boy! 12-13-2012 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9203530)
Questioning the competitiveness and sportsmanship of allowing her to play = fair game, worth discussing

Calling her "it" and "he/she" and whatever other epithets they used = not okay.

This.

Fire Me Boy! 12-13-2012 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9204258)
I would imagine it was something more along the lines of always feeling like they would prefer to be the other and then finally deciding to change.

That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read here.

NJChiefsFan 12-13-2012 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9204270)
That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read here.

Prefer is not the word I meant and not what I wanted to imply. I meant that the feeling that you are a girl not a boy, not that they just have a preference.

jspchief 12-13-2012 07:26 AM

Steve Czaban used to have a really good show with Andrew Siciliano a long time ago, and then one day boom, he was gone. I never could find out what he did to make him fall off the map. I don't think he's been back in radio for all that long.

WhiteWhale 12-13-2012 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9203279)
Freaks can't handle being called Freaks. Fat people can't handle being called Fat and so on. Almost no matter how a person phrases what they say it is still wrong.
Everyone else has to change or except it, but not the people that changed or have a different perception of reality.

Yeah, and breast cancer survivors can't handle being called titless, and testicular cancer survivors dislike being called 'uno'.

GEEZ! Get a sense of humor about it!!!

Dumbass.

People have enough problems without assholes like you piling on and then pretending it's a form of honesty.

Iowanian 12-13-2012 09:12 AM

I guess that will teach him not to fight with Mohillbilly's best jersey bull.

Saul Good 12-13-2012 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9204258)
I would imagine it was something more along the lines of always feeling like they are the other sex mentally and then finally deciding to change. (edit)

I will say this, if you do a thing like this, you better be somebody ready to handle the heat that comes from it. If they break down whenever they hear a thing said about them then what the hell were they thinking? That being said....

I am not a big P.C. person. To me my issue wouldn't be with PC but with not being consistent with your own standards. If you are somebody that calls anyone out and easily throws them in a harsh joke then this falls in the same boat. If you wouldn't call an ugly woman "it" on the radio then I don't think you should call this person "it" either. My moral line as a boss would be there. If we are a show where you can't make a person feel like less than a person, then this is off limits. If we are a show where all bets are always off, then whatever.

I just don't think that because this person decides they want to switch that it means we are morally off the hook for treating them different than we treat other people. Again, I don't see it as PC but more just being consistent. If you treat others with respect due to morals, then I think you should do the same in this case or I think you are contradicting yourself imho. Their choice to switch doesn't remove that moral obligation you had prior to the switch. If everyone is fair game to you, then fine, this is too.

Herein lies the problem...even if I agree with your statement that people who change genders should be prepared to deal with this shit (I agree that they should be but only because there are pricks out there who will take shots at them), these people on the radio were attacking more people than just this basketball player.

Beef Supreme 12-13-2012 09:43 AM

I can't believe people are actually having a serious conversation about this. If you're gonna cut off your balls and try to play for the girls sports team, expect a little ****ing ridicule.

Crush 12-13-2012 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 9204532)
Yeah, and breast cancer survivors can't handle being called titless, and testicular cancer survivors dislike being called 'uno'.

GEEZ! Get a sense of humor about it!!!

Dumbass.

People have enough problems without assholes like you piling on and then pretending it's a form of honesty.

You are seriously comparing cancer victims to a guy that voluntarily cut his nuts off? Seriously, **** you.

lcarus 12-13-2012 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 9203569)
finkle is ehinhorn ehinhorn is finkle. ehinhorn is a man.

Her gun was digging into my hip....

loochy 12-13-2012 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 9204583)
I can't believe people are actually having a serious conversation about this. If you're gonna cut off your balls and try to play for the girls sports team, expect a little ****ing ridicule.

Yeah, that's pretty much right on.

If you do something that makes you stick out in an exceptionally odd and comical manner, you're going to get it and you know it. Right or wrong or whatever, it's going to happen.

Saul Good 12-13-2012 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 9204583)
I can't believe people are actually having a serious conversation about this. If you're gonna cut off your balls and try to play for the girls sports team, expect a little ****ing ridicule.

What about others who don't play on a sports team? There's no such thing as only calling one person a n****r.

Chief Gump 12-13-2012 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 9203569)
finkle is ehinhorn ehinhorn is finkle. ehinhorn is a man.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs7/2568515_o.gif

loochy 12-13-2012 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9204646)
What about others who don't play on a sports team? There's no such thing as only calling one person a n****r.

well sure there is

Valiant 12-13-2012 10:44 AM

Baylor girls added a man. Now every other team is trying it.

loochy 12-13-2012 10:53 AM

Gabrielle Ludwig should have changed her name to MANdy

GloryDayz 12-13-2012 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9203530)
Questioning the competitiveness and sportsmanship of allowing her to play = fair game, worth discussing

Calling her "it" and "he/she" and whatever other epithets they used = not okay.

I tend to agreed, but I hope when the day comes to have the discussion about competitiveness and sportsmanship the rules are laid out very clearly that it's not a joke, and what's discussed will be open and honest. So no insults will be lobbed, but questions about where to draw the line between what "sport" considers to be a man or a woman has to be established. And if that means this person is disqualified as they are deemed to not meet the criteria (like larger boys running the ball in Pop-Warner football), then they have to accept it. Let's hope the rules aren't biased by typical stereotyping..

So it's not funny and the conversation won't be fun when it's finally discussed, but I hope it happens. I've coached kids with disabilities (blind, missing arms, stub arms, stub legs...) and girls in wrestling, and it's always a tougher situation and the 99% purely normal matches. But I find when the conversation is kept open and honest, once the wrestlers are on the mat, it's all good. Evading the topic is the worst way to go about it..

loochy 12-13-2012 11:08 AM

Also, for what it's worth, WTF were the announcers thinking? They had to know that their heads would be on the line for that kind of stuff.

Predarat 12-13-2012 11:20 AM

Too much butt hurt out there. OOPS!

InChiefsHeaven 12-13-2012 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9204721)
Also, for what it's worth, WTF were the announcers thinking? They had to know that their heads would be on the line for that kind of stuff.

Not amongst their own listener-ship though. They didn't think at all, they just said what was on their minds, and didn't get called out till later by some other organization.

Having said that, if I were a radio professional, I'd make sure not to get inflammatory about that stuff, cuz as you said...they should have known there was an ass kicking coming for it.

Ultra Peanut 12-13-2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 9204532)
Yeah, and breast cancer survivors can't handle being called titless, and testicular cancer survivors dislike being called 'uno'.

GEEZ! Get a sense of humor about it!!!

Dumbass.

People have enough problems without assholes like you piling on and then pretending it's a form of honesty.

Ignorance justifies everything~

Frazod 12-13-2012 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 9204583)
I can't believe people are actually having a serious conversation about this. If you're gonna cut off your balls and try to play for the girls sports team, expect a little ****ing ridicule.

Kind of hard to argue with this. If [???] wants to fit in, [???] should move to Wrigleyville. Or whatever Wrigleyville's equivalent is in San Francisco.


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