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TimBone 08-08-2014 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10804478)
Squidwad is blackbob :/

Confirmed? Bah gawd BAN HIM!

ViperVisor 08-08-2014 08:45 PM

Smith's history of % of completions to RBs was actually avg in his 49ers career.

Travis Kelce has the biggest potential to boost the offense over last year.

Fasano has very little utility outside of the redzone. He requires little attention from a defense.
The longest play of his career is 35 yards.

Kelce can burn a defense if they screw up. Production of a Vernon Davis light. Mostly done in the mid-range where KC got so little production done.

People wouldn't believe how low Vernon Davis has been in YAC over the years despite how fast he is. Kelce is probably better than him at this. Vernon just isn't agile and doesn't catch the ball out in front of his body with his feet ready to pivot up-field.
Chip in that 1 20-30 yard play a game and a couple more catches for whatever.

srvy 08-08-2014 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 10804611)
Smith's history of % of completions to RBs was actually avg in his 49ers career.

Travis Kelce has the biggest potential to boost the offense over last year.

Fasano has very little utility outside of the redzone. He requires little attention from a defense.
The longest play of his career is 35 yards.

Kelce can burn a defense if they screw up. Production of a Vernon Davis light. Mostly done in the mid-range where KC got so little production done.

People wouldn't believe how low Vernon Davis has been in YAC over the years despite how fast he is. Kelce is probably better than him at this. Vernon just isn't agile and doesn't catch the ball out in front of his body with his feet ready to pivot up-field.
Chip in that 1 20-30 yard play a game and a couple more catches for whatever.

So this means we can trade straight up Kelce for Davis ;)

Buzz 08-08-2014 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 10804611)
Smith's history of % of completions to RBs was actually avg in his 49ers career.

Travis Kelce has the biggest potential to boost the offense over last year.

Fasano has very little utility outside of the redzone. He requires little attention from a defense.
The longest play of his career is 35 yards.

Kelce can burn a defense if they screw up. Production of a Vernon Davis light. Mostly done in the mid-range where KC got so little production done.

People wouldn't believe how low Vernon Davis has been in YAC over the years despite how fast he is. Kelce is probably better than him at this. Vernon just isn't agile and doesn't catch the ball out in front of his body with his feet ready to pivot up-field.
Chip in that 1 20-30 yard play a game and a couple more catches for whatever.


I'm lost, did this guy say anything remotely intelligent or am I just drunk?

ViperVisor 08-08-2014 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 10804677)
I'm lost, did this guy say anything remotely intelligent or am I just drunk?

Mostly rambling from me. Point is I don't see the WRs causing defenses trouble. The unknown potential assets need to pay off and then the WRs will have less safety attention and then they will be open for some bigger plays.

Hammock Parties 08-08-2014 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10804075)
Everyone loves to yell about how conservative Smith is but he will throw the ball if someone is open.

Wrong.

Alex has a very poor ability to recognize what "open" truly is in the NFL.

That's why he has always held the ball and taken sacks dating back to his days in San Fran.

**** him and the True Fans he rode in on.

Dayze 08-08-2014 09:30 PM

love love love, Daniel grossly over-throwing our 6'6" TE by a good 4' over his head. .....whil he's less than 10 yds away.

kick ass.

ViperVisor 08-08-2014 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10804738)
Wrong.

Alex has a very poor ability to recognize what "open" truly is in the NFL.

That's why he has always held the ball and taken sacks dating back to his days in San Fran.

**** him and the True Fans he rode in on.

Did you not see this ?
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...4#post10804054
The numbers add up 77 sacks on Smith 09-11 and the avg time is below the avg. His pass protection has almost always sucked. It's why he gets the ball out in 3 seconds or moves to run or throw / throw it away.

In 2012 in a few games he held the ball and took sacks. Because they were up and they odds to win were about 90%.

TimBone 08-08-2014 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 10804677)
I'm lost, did this guy say anything remotely intelligent or am I just drunk?

He's basically saying Kelce is going to go a long way in helping to open up the offense.

jd1020 08-08-2014 09:38 PM

Alex Smith has been plagued with a shit OL and shit WR's his entire career. When is this guy going to catch a break and really shine?

Rasputin 08-08-2014 09:58 PM

I think Alex Smith is going have to get rid of the ball quickly and by doing that he needs to target Dwayne Bowe often. Open or not D Bowe should come up with the ball more times than not. I think D Bowe dedicated himself this offseason and they need keep him active in games to help relieve JC all the duties.

Alex Smith needs take chances with getting rid of the ball and not get himself beat up with taking sacks. Dwayne Bowe can shred DBs & make things happen. I think he is going have a good year.

Direckshun 08-08-2014 09:58 PM

Grades for the 1st string OL:

LT Eric Fisher: D. I thought Fisher looked good as I watched the game. Watching him specifically on each of his 11 snaps revealed the truth, however. Other than two or three snaps where Fisher legitimately dominated, he looked pretty terrible. I completely disagree with Trent Green on the strip-sack -- perhaps Smith held the ball too long, but Fisher was getting owned from the get go on that play. And that was a theme on too many pass plays -- I counted 3 -- where Fisher simply greeted the passrusher too high and got his shit pushed in. He blocked fairly well in the run game, but allowed Wallace Gilberry to ride him all the way to sideline to shut down a run by DAT. A truly lackluster performance in limited time.

LG Jeff Allen: D. I've never been a big fan of Jeff Allen ever since his rookie season, and that was only reinforced by this terrible performance. His runblocking was confused and average, his passblocking was confused and weak. Allen still struggles to anchor against bullrushes, something demonstrated on the strip-sack when Domata Peko, a 320 lbs DT that nobody on the Chiefs' OL had answers for, threw Allen into Smith's lap. Allen was consistently unable to make a play downfield on screens, and was consistently unable to move his guy up the gut.

C Rodney Hudson: C. Hudson's pass protection was pretty solid, but he faced zero passrushers and blitzes. His real test would be in the run game, where he would not only fail to make any noise, he would actually get blown up a couple times, such on the first 3rd down conversion of the game, where his DT rode him all the way into Jamaal, shutting down the play and forcing the Chiefs to punt.

RG Zach Fulton: B. I actually felt like Fulton looked like the 2nd best lineman out there. He was effective in passblocking, giving up zero pressures. What's most impressive is his get-up-and-go at the 2nd level. Zach Fulton is a fatass of a guard, but he can surprisingly get down field in a hurry. He didn't do much damage at the 2nd level this game, but it's clear he can get there, which is something that genuinely surprises me. He's also an effective run blocker -- he wasn't lining up against Geno Atkins, but he was able to reliably push his man all game and get some room for the RBs. He gets a bit confused with his blocking assignments, but that'll right itself soon.

RT Donald Stephenson: B+. Best lineman of the game for the Chiefs. It's a shame Fisher can't get his shit together right now, because he would give the Chiefs perhaps the most athletic tackle duo in the country. Whereas Fisher's extra weight seems to have slowed him down to slightly-above-average speed, Stephenson can flat-out book it. His work in the passing game was extremely good, with hardly anybody really challenging him (the only one who did was Robert Geathers, who came close to riding Stephenson into Smith, but Stephenson slowed them down). His work at the 2nd level was great, and he looked efficient getting push.

That said, all Chiefs starters really suck at chip blocking right now. I don't know what they've been teaching them, but 100% of their chip blocks were weak and ineffective. At one point, Fulton chip blocked so horribly he actually blocked Stephenson, freeing up both of their guys to pursue the ball.

Hammock Parties 08-08-2014 10:04 PM

Poverty line. LMAO

Jeff Allen is a lost cause and having him next to Eric Fissure is going to be a disaster.

ViperVisor 08-08-2014 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10804770)
Alex Smith has been plagued with a shit OL and shit WR's his entire career. When is this guy going to catch a break and really shine?

I wonder why the ignorant haters never responded to these facts.

Shaun Hill was a 49er in 2009 started and played
5.5 games
87-155
943 yards
5 TD 2 INT
18 sacks

Alex Smith comes in the next
4.5 games
95-155
1035 yards
9 TD 7 INT
13 sacks

Now come 2010 Shaun Hill was on the Lions starts and finishes 9 games
he has passing totals of...
222 yards
227 yards
237 yards
258 yards
285 yards
289 yards
323 yards
331 yards
335 yards

257-416 passing and only 17 sacks

Sample size from 3 different QB total over 650 drop backs
Sack rate from 3.9-4.8%

So the O-line is probably good. And the crazy jump in passing from Hill. His pass catchers are probably good.
Those 2 things outside of the QBs control seem to matter. More than just a little too.

jd1020 08-08-2014 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 10804816)
I wonder why the ignorant haters never responded to these facts.

Shaun Hill was a 49er in 2009 started and played
5.5 games
87-155
943 yards
5 TD 2 INT
18 sacks

Alex Smith comes in the next
4.5 games
95-155
1035 yards
9 TD 7 INT
13 sacks

Now come 2010 Shaun Hill was on the Lions starts and finishes 9 games
he has passing totals of...
222 yards
227 yards
237 yards
258 yards
285 yards
289 yards
323 yards
331 yards
335 yards

257-416 passing and only 17 sacks

Sample size from 3 different QB total over 650 drop backs
Sack rate from 3.9-4.8%

So the O-line is probably good. And the crazy jump in passing from Hill. His pass catchers are probably good.
Those 2 things outside of the QBs control seem to matter. More than just a little too.

You must get worn out typing the same old tired shit year after year, after year, after year, after year...


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