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Also, it has been said that Kim Cattrall was the first choice to be Saavik in STII, but that did not work out, and she did not want to be the third actress to do the character when they approached her for ST VI, and that, along with Gene's objections led to the creation of the new character. I agree that Star Trek VI is one of the best of the movies. Christopher Plummer was great in his Klingon role, and it had some of the best performances from the Original Series crew. They knew it was their last film together, so they give it their best on their way out. The storyline and script was great too, the parallels to the ending of the Cold War were very well done. |
Star Trek V was pure comedy gold.
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p. 203: Originally we had hoped to lure Kirstie Alley back to reprise her character as Saavik--her backstory from the other films would have made this especially poignant--but once again she declined. p. 212: As I have noted, in an ideal world Valeris should have been the stalwart Saavik, a character we had already come to love. And trust. This would have sharpened the pain of her betrayal, but absent Kirstie Alley, we decided it would be better to introduce a new character. |
Welp, there's another book I need to read.
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Had Kirstie Alley remained part of the Star Trek franchise, that turn would have rivaled any villan in recent Sci Fi history and probably rank among the top Sci Fi villains of all time. |
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However, she acts more Romulan than Vulcan. From IMDB: When Sci Fi Channel aired this movie on television, Leonard Nimoy appeared on-screen during commercial breaks, explaining various memories and trivia about the film. One of the items was the character backstory of Lt. Saavik (Kirstie Alley), who was intended to have Romulan/Vulcan heritage, which would have made her more emotional than a pureblood Vulcan. Three hints at this remain in the final film: during the Kobayashi Maru simulation, she says to herself, "Damn!"; she gasps in shock when Scotty appears on the bridge with midshipman Peters' injured body; and she is emotionally moved by Kirk's eulogy. |
It should be noted that Nimoy's greatest failure as a ST director was ruining Saavik. Nimoy had Robin Curtis play Saavik as a straight Vulcan. She's essentially a completely different character in III, and is basically the original cast's Wesley Crusher.
Ironically, Robin Curtis played a Vulcan in a TNG episode who had gone nuts and displayed real emotion. It was a far better portrayal than her sad, wooden Saavik. |
Drew from Hitfix has seen the 9 minute prologue already:
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Holy shit, please tell me they didn't put a planet called Nibiru into this. LMAO
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People of our generation are watching this load of horse $#!+ ?
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For example, I might say, your horseshit opinion really sucks ass. Any questions? |
heheh......JJ is eating this shit up......NOw its being revealed that Cumberbatch is playing a character named John Harrison. Harrison was a "red shirt" guy who showed up in several TOS episodes.........Alot of diehards still think its Khan somehow.....
http://badassdigest.com/2012/12/10/c....-john-harrson Here's an interesting development in the "Who The Hell Is Benedict Cumberbatch Playing" mystery surrounding Star Trek Into Darkness: a new still from Paramount identifies his character as John Harrison. There is, to the best of my knowledge, no canon John Harrison in the Star Trek universe. It's been stated that Cumberbatch is playing a canon character. So what the hell? My two thoughts: 1) The caption is a lie. I mean, he may be calling himself 'John Harrison,' but that's not who he really is. That's a name he's using for most of the film before a big reveal as to who he actually is. 2) He's Harrison, a minor recurring crew member from the original series who bounced around from assigment to assignment, variously being in a red security shirt, a technician in sickbay and a gold shirted member of the bridge crew. He's not really a character, so much as he's a background actor who keeps popping up. He's technically canon, though, and his name is certainly mentioned in the show. I've had a number of sources tell me that Cumberbatch is Khan. I could be getting played - JJ Abrams' mystery box system involves disinformation. The IMAX prologue that played for journalists yesterday hints at Khan - Giacchino's score quotes Khan's theme, and Spock drops the 'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one' line - but I guess it could all be a big game. A weird game, but a big game nonetheless. My gut instinct is that the answer is #1. John Harrison is the name Cumberbatch's character is using. He reveals his true identity later, probably when he reveals that he wanted to get captured by the heroes (a la Avengers, Skyfall, etc - it's an old plot device, but it's been getting a lot of use lately). A sidenote: John Harrison Suratt was one of the conspirators who was involved in the plot to kill Abraham Lincoln. His mother, Mary Surratt, was hung for her role. Surratt himself escaped the country and returned later, after the statute of limitations expired. Could this fake name be taken in reference to this historical figure? Screenwriter Roberto Orci is a HUGE conspiracy nut, so it makes some sense. |
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Carol Marcus confirmed.
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Here is some background on the crewmember from the TOS named Harrison:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Harrison Nothing spectacular, but the character was around enough that JJ could claim him as a TOS crew member, but with plenty of leeway to make him into whatever kind of villain JJ wanted. |
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When Khan Noonien Singh attempted to take over the ship in 2267, Harrison wore a red operations division uniform while among the crew trapped on the bridge. Kirk's captain's log noted commendations for numerous personnel, including Technician Harrison, who lost consciousness from oxygen deprivation. (TOS: "Space Seed") Although Harrison was on the bridge, he was the only of the visually accounted for that didn't end up in the briefing room after being incapacitated. |
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I know all the speculation is driving everyone crazy. But I kinda love it. Maybe it's because I don't give a shit who Cumberbatch is playing. But, man!
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It's kind of brilliant for J.J. to do this, had he announced the antagonist in the beginning fans would have added their two cents and waited until the Summer to see the show. This strategy has ramped up the discussion and fervent anticipation for a movie that's still over six months away.
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Alice Eve has been revealed as Dr. Carol Marcus...
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I just hope they don't **** this up. To me, it seems like they're taking characters from the Star Trek Universe and creating back stories that have absolutely no relation to the TOS. It's almost like they're in name only. |
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Of course, the original Battlestar Galactica hadn't inspired five spin-off series and 10 movies before being completely reimagined. |
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in related news, Shatner is 81 and looking AMAZING.
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Kurtzman, Orci & Lindelof don't exactly have a great track record, IMO, with continuity or even logical thought. |
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(I say this as a long, long time fan). Not that it hasn't had its moments of greatness. |
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As I stated earlier, I hope they don't **** it up, i.e., it makes sense within the universe they've created. Up to this point, I've lost all faith in Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof to deliver a cogent, logical and conclusive plot. |
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That all went out the window when they introduced Time Travel in #4, which was used constantly from that point forward. Once Time Travel becomes a major plot point, all bets are off and nothing truly exists, because Time Travel can erase everything. |
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Which was primarily what I was responding to in my initial response to you. Your post implies that you care very much about how it relates to TOS. Obviously, I misunderstood. My apologies. |
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It'll be cool. Chris Pine is William Shatner 2.0. |
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I think "The City on the Edge of Forever" by Harlan Ellison is still my one of favorite episodes of anything all time (and would I think have been even better without Roddenberry's typical utopian future meddling with the script but that's another discussion). Ironically I guess, since we're talking about the foibles of time travel. |
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I care that there is a script and plot that actually makes sense, which is something I do not know if Orci, Kurtzman or Lindelof can deliver, based on their well-documented prior failures. |
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"City" didn't actually alter the events of time, did it? I can't remember. |
Balance of Terror is another one I will always watch if it's on.
If I remember right (it's been years since I saw it...), Edith Keeler had to die to keep the Nazis from taking over the world. McCoy had changed history saving her from a car wreck and Kirk had to un-change it. Or something like that. And Kirk being Kirk...he had to hook up with her and complicate things. On the flip side...we had Bread and Circuses...and a wide variety of episodes featuring various and sundry space hippies. |
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The one you are talking about is City on the Edge of Forever with Joan Collins. Both from the 1st and "best" season of TOS. 2nd Season was decent too, but not quite as good......3rd season really blew for the most part and has some horribly dated episodes like the Space Hippies. |
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My favorite TOS episode is Doomsday Machine. I sure wouldn't mind them working Decker and the planet killer into a future movie.
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I could never beat the asteroid level that had the Tholian ships coming at you at the same time...and maybe Klingons too. Enterprise always blew the **** up. I don't think I EVER beat that ****ing game.
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*Despite the plot holes, I loveloveloved the reboot. |
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That's why I'd never recommend purchasing the Lost DVD collection. I'd feel like a dick because the final season was a kick in the face. Why put friends and family through that? |
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Maybe they'd have a different opinion than you. I'd prefer to let people decide for themselves. When people ask me if I'd recommend Lost, I tell them, yes. But with the caveat that a lot of people didn't like the ending. I tell them it's a character driven show, and that the ride is well worth it, regardless. |
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If anyone ever asks me "What did you think of Lost? Should I buy it?", the answer would be a resounding NO. **** LOST. |
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The final seasons of Lost and Fringe are like Highlander 2. Everything that was so cool about Highlander was wiped out by the sequel. And everything that was cool about Lost and Fringe were wiped out by their respective final seasons. |
Person of Interest is one of the best shows on television right now. It's really, really good.
There's really nothing in the show (so far) that's reminiscent of the stuff that led to the issues with Alias and Lost. The machine that provides the numbers has been completely explained, from fairly early on, and while there are flashbacks, they don't happen every week. And when they do have them, they actually help move the show forward. Love that show. Haven't missed an episode since it started. You're really doing yourself a disservice if you don't watch it based on previous Bad Robot missteps and I would (and do) wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone with zero reservations. It's that good. |
If anyone's interested in reading about some pretty deep flaws in Abrams' style, (ex. character development, plot holes, and his career as "Jeffrey Abrams") this article should interest you.
P.S. I do still enjoy most of his work, but he should probably not build the foundation of a TV series ever again. http://www.nerve.com/movies/jj-abram...or-of-our-time |
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Yep, Super 8 was a total let-down.
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Wow, I liked Super 8. I didn't see it until a few months ago, but I enjoyed it.
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Oh, I also really dug Mission Impossible 3.
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