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penbrook 04-17-2013 07:19 PM

Good news in Dorsey will be speaking on Friday. We better get some answers than.

O.city 04-17-2013 07:19 PM

If Albert is say the 10th best LT, whoever we pick to replace him should be better. So expecting said player to be atleast a top 10 player if not better seems right to me.

ILChief 04-17-2013 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9597255)
Alex Smith = Matt Cassel

Eric Fisher = Tyson Jackson

Get ready for this truth to be repeated ad nauseam on this board for four years if Albert is dumped.

It's coming.

Lol, no

In58men 04-17-2013 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9597243)
While I'm not thrilled with a left tackle first overall, he'll be a minimum of seven years younger and at least $4 million less per year.


You think just like Clark Hunt. Let's create a hole and fill it with our #1 pick. It's a money saver baby.

tomahawk kid 04-17-2013 07:19 PM

I hope / expect its Fisher.

RunKC 04-17-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597244)
Uh, I don't think he will be blocking those guys, save Irvin. I'd be more worried about Aldon Smith.

Him too. Jesus.

I don't know that Saffold is even a top 20 LT.

And in that division it sure as hell matters.

crispystl 04-17-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9597053)
Alex Smith+Luke Joeckel+2.42 > Branden Albert+1.1+2.34+'14 3rd.

God **** that is one idiotic statement.

Shit when you put it like that it looks eve MORE ludicrous.

Nightfyre 04-17-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597265)
If Albert is say the 10th best LT, whoever we pick to replace him should be better. So expecting said player to be atleast a top 10 player if not better seems right to me.

whoever we pick with the pick we get for him? or whoever we pick at #1 overall? Because there is a chasm of difference in value between #1 and #52.

dirk digler 04-17-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9597245)
Alex Smith trade says Win Now
Branden Albert trade says Win in the Future

Together, they really say Win Never

Perfect

Mother****erJones 04-17-2013 07:20 PM

This rookie LT doesn't have to be top 5 at his position in his first year. Just don't be ****ing horrible and be a liability.

penbrook 04-17-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9597255)
Alex Smith = Matt Cassel

Eric Fisher = Tyson Jackson

Get ready for this truth to be repeated ad nauseam on this board for four years if Albert is dumped.

It's coming.

Eric Fisher is not Tyson Jackson. Joeckel is.

Direckshun 04-17-2013 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9597247)
Who went in the CP mock +/- 10 picks:

42 Buffalo - BossChief - Mike Glennon, QB, NC State
43 Miami - DaKCManAP - Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State
44 Tampa Bay - crazycoffey - Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
45 Carolina - Direckshun - Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
46 New Orleans (FORFEIT BOUNTYGATE)
47 San Diego - DJ's left nut - Jonathan Jenkins, NT, Georgia
48 St. Louis - Rams Fan - Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers
49 Dallas - ChiefsCountry - Larry Warford, G, Kentucky
50 Pittsburgh - Mr. Flopnuts - Robert Woods, WR, USC
51 New York Giants - Sorter - Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
52 Chicago - crazycoffey - Jordan Reed, TE, Florida
53 Washington - Rams Fan - Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, UConn
54 Minnesota - Sfeihc - Jonathon Cyprien, SS, Florida Int..
55 Cincinnati - DaKCManAP - Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
56 Miami - (from Indy) - DaKCManAP - Kyle Long, OT, Oregon
57 Green Bay - SNR - Travis Frederick, C, Wisconsin
58 Seattle - Pestilence - Menelik Watson, OT, Florida State
59 Houston - DJ's left nut - Jesse Williams, NT, Alabama
60 Denver - DeezNutz - Cornellius Carradine, DE, Florida State
61 New England - Marco Polo - David Amerson, CB, North Carolina State
62 Atlanta - BossChief - Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU

Which of these players would you trade Albert for, straight up?

It's not a straight up deal.

I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

-King- 04-17-2013 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9597264)
Good news in Dorsey will be speaking on Friday. We better get some answers than.

Dorsey is worse to listen to than Pioli. If you expect anything from him, you'll be severely disappointed.

Nightfyre 04-17-2013 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9597276)
It's not a straight up deal.

I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

Albert for #52? How is that not a straight up deal?

Ebolapox 04-17-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9597204)
Explain why this is good.

Someone. Anyone.

TRUST TEH PROCESS

O.city 04-17-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9597273)
This rookie LT doesn't have to be top 5 at his position. Just don't be ****ing horrible and be a liability.

A rookie LT taken with the first overall pick in the entire draft better be better than " not horrible and not a liability".

Otherwise, it's a bust.

Mother****erJones 04-17-2013 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597283)
A rookie LT taken with the first overall pick in the entire draft better be better than " not horrible and not a liability".

Otherwise, it's a bust.

I added his first year, my bad. Thought i put that in.

Simply Red 04-17-2013 07:23 PM

Fire Dorsey immediately!

O.city 04-17-2013 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9597285)
I added his first year, my bad. Thought i put that in.

Doesn't matter.


The first overall pick in the entire draft, better be more than "not a liability". If thats the case, he was overdrafted.

Our rookie LT, should be as good as Kalil was last year. He's billed as a generational LT, so he better be one.

penbrook 04-17-2013 07:24 PM

Clark grow a ****ing pair of balls.

mdchiefsfan 04-17-2013 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597265)
If Albert is say the 10th best LT, whoever we pick to replace him should be better. So expecting said player to be atleast a top 10 player if not better seems right to me.

Honestly, its tough to say. I HATE having to defend this pick, but this line of thinking is wrong. It is quite possible that Reid feels Albert can't play his scheme at a top 10 level. Time will only tell if he is right.

Mother****erJones 04-17-2013 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597288)
Doesn't matter.


The first overall pick in the entire draft, better be more than "not a liability". If thats the case, he was overdrafted.

First year players will likely have their struggles. It's reality. As long as he doesn't get Smith hurt or give up a bunch of sacks and cost us wins it'll be fine. He better be great, no doubt. But that will come in time. Usually.

ShowtimeSBMVP 04-17-2013 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9597267)
You think just like Clark Hunt. Let's create a hole and fill it with our #1 pick. It's a money saver baby.

Hunt just spent some coin cleaning house.

mdchiefsfan 04-17-2013 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597283)
A rookie LT taken with the first overall pick in the entire draft better be better than " not horrible and not a liability".

Otherwise, it's a bust.

To add to my previous post, I agree.

O.city 04-17-2013 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 9597294)
Honestly, its tough to say. I HATE having to defend this pick, but this line of thinking is wrong. It is quite possible that Reid feels Albert can't play his scheme at a top 10 level. Time will only tell if he is right.

It's wrong to think the first overall pick in the draft should be a top 10 player at his position very early in his career?

If you want to go with this mentality, fine. That then means Reid is drafting a LT he thinks does fit his scheme and should be better, right?

Sorter 04-17-2013 07:27 PM

Apologies to RunKC, I totally forgot Saffold is playing RT this year.

ILChief 04-17-2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597253)
Arguably.

Well I guess anything is arguable but I can't see any rating system in which luck was a top 5 qb

mdchiefsfan 04-17-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9597296)
Hunt just spent some coin cleaning house.

And will be paying it for a couple years to boot. No one can question Hunt's wallet anymore in my opinion.

Mother****erJones 04-17-2013 07:28 PM

And for the record, I'm not defending this. I'm not happy about this situation. I want to take Geno and let him sit 2 years. Or even take Jordan number 1.

DaneMcCloud 04-17-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9597267)
You think just like Clark Hunt. Let's create a hole and fill it with our #1 pick. It's a money saver baby.

You're a dumbass Oompaa Loompaa

RunKC 04-17-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ponderception (Post 9597303)
Apologies to RunKC, I totally forgot Saffold is playing RT this year.

douche :D

O.city 04-17-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9597295)
First year players will likely have their struggles. It's reality. As long as he doesn't get Smith hurt or give up a bunch of sacks and cost us wins it'll be fine. He better be great, no doubt. But that will come in time. Usually.

I guess I just expect more from the first overall pick of the draft.

Setsuna 04-17-2013 07:28 PM

Ouch. That's no good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9597295)
First year players will likely have their struggles. It's reality. As long as he doesn't get Smith hurt or give up a bunch of sacks and cost us wins it'll be fine. He better be great, no doubt. But that will come in time. Usually.

LTs don't cost you games nor do they win you games. And that's why you don't draft one #1 overall.

penbrook 04-17-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9597306)
And for the record, I'm not defending this. I'm not happy about this situation. I want to take Geno and let him sit 2 years. Or even take Jordan number 1.

Im with you.

Messier 04-17-2013 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9597274)
Eric Fisher is not Tyson Jackson. Joeckel is.

Joeckel is a draft prospect that most have going 15-25 in the first but surprisingly the Chiefs take much higher than rated and he'll end up playing a mediocre level that doesn't surprise too many because, after all he's a reach?

B14ckmon 04-17-2013 07:29 PM

I'm going to look like a genius for being the one to start the official Joeckel thread :). Maybe we can get Luke to join CP?

O.city 04-17-2013 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9597312)
Joeckel is a draft prospect that most have going 15-25 in the first but surprisingly the Chiefs take much higher than rated and he'll end up playing a mediocre level that doesn't surprise too many because, after all he's a reach?

He's a prospect some have said would be a mid to late first rounder in a "normal"" draft.

B14ckmon 04-17-2013 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9597312)
Joeckel is a draft prospect that most have going 15-25 in the first but surprisingly the Chiefs take much higher than rated and he'll end up playing a mediocre level that doesn't surprise too many because, after all he's a reach?

This isn't remotely true lol

Mother****erJones 04-17-2013 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597309)
I guess I just expect more from the first overall pick of the draft.

I agree, but first year players struggle, even number 1 picks.

mdchiefsfan 04-17-2013 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597300)
It's wrong to think the first overall pick in the draft should be a top 10 player at his position very early in his career?

If you want to go with this mentality, fine. That then means Reid is drafting a LT he thinks does fit his scheme and should be better, right?

I'm just saying top 10 is relevent to the scheme. If he can't play the scheme, he won't be top 10. Maybe Reid thinks Albert can't do it.

B14ckmon 04-17-2013 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9597318)
I agree, but first year players struggle, even number 1 picks.

Even Luck had a shitty overrated season.

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 07:31 PM

Only the Chiefs would choose to create a hole on the roster that doesn't exist, then use the most valuable pick in franchise history to fill said hole.

O.city 04-17-2013 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9597318)
I agree, but first year players struggle, even number 1 picks.

Struggle? Sure.


"just don't be a liability and be ok etc" No.


We could get that out of Stephenson.

Chiefs Pantalones 04-17-2013 07:31 PM

I wish this draft had a Trezelle Jenkins. We'd be set.

dirk digler 04-17-2013 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597309)
I guess I just expect more from the first overall pick of the draft.

You should. The 1st pick in the draft has to be an immediate starter and make an impact. That is the way it is in the new NFL.

penbrook 04-17-2013 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9597316)
This isn't remotely true lol

Well Kiper and Mcshay think so.

The Franchise 04-17-2013 07:32 PM

Still hope to god they trade down.

Messier 04-17-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597315)
He's a prospect some have said would be a mid to late first rounder in a "normal"" draft.

Who are the players in this draft that would be top five in any year?

RealSNR 04-17-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9597053)
Alex Smith+Luke Joeckel+2.42 > Branden Albert+1.1+2.34+'14 3rd.

God **** that is one idiotic statement.

But the CAP ROOM!

There's cap room! Delicious, delicious cap room!

Cap room wins Super Bowls! As do left tackles.

O.city 04-17-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 9597319)
I'm just saying top 10 is relevent to the scheme. If he can't play the scheme, he won't be top 10. Maybe Reid thinks Albert can't do it.

I'm not arguing with that. He obviously doesn't see Albert as taht. But he does apparently see Joeckel as that.


So is it wrong to hold him to that standard?

O.city 04-17-2013 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9597329)
Who are the players in this draft that would be top five in any year?

There aren't any.


So I guess we should jsut accept an average player with our 1st overall pick?

Hammock Parties 04-17-2013 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9597322)
Only the Chiefs would choose to create a hole on the roster that doesn't exist, then use the most valuable pick in franchise history to fill said hole.

But it's all Albert's fault.

He wants too much money.

Albert is the bad guy here.

DAMN YOU BRANDEN ALBERT FOR ALLOWING THAT WHOLE SACK LAST YEAR

Messier 04-17-2013 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9597325)
I wish this draft had a Trezelle Jenkins. We'd be set.

Thebway people are talking about Joeckel, he is Jenkins.

DaneMcCloud 04-17-2013 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9597306)
And for the record, I'm not defending this. I'm not happy about this situation. I want to take Geno and let him sit 2 years.

Dumbest ****ing idea, ever.

I don't give a **** if it's a QB or a tackle or a pass rusher: It's completely ****ing DUMB to sit a player chosen in the first round, let alone #1 overall, in 2013 with the current CBA (which is in effect for nine more years).

DUMB.

penbrook 04-17-2013 07:34 PM

La Canfora says Dolphins hope to get Albert and than draft Millner. Do they know Millner probably wont get past the browns. I never listen to Canfora.

Hammock Parties 04-17-2013 07:34 PM

Albert > Joeckel

Millner > Sean Smith

Dolphins > Chiefs

Est. 1971

ShowtimeSBMVP 04-17-2013 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9597330)
But the CAP ROOM!

There's cap room! Delicious, delicious cap room!

Cap room wins Super Bowls! As do left tackles.

Geno Smith wont.

JoeyChuckles 04-17-2013 07:34 PM

Is the deal done yet? Is there a yacht or something in the dock?

O.city 04-17-2013 07:34 PM

We are going to throw the ball a whole lot this year. Obviously, Reid and Co don't think ALbert can hold up. Fine.

Trade him, I don't really care. But I damn sure am going to expect the pick from the entire litter of the draft class to be impressive in that role.

Messier 04-17-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597334)
There aren't any.


So I guess we should jsut accept an average player with our 1st overall pick?

Hopefully not. Who is going to be average so we can avoid them?

DaneMcCloud 04-17-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9597311)
Im with you.

You're the dumbest ****ing poster since RoyIII.

Seriously.

Just Passin' By 04-17-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9597267)
You think just like Clark Hunt. Let's create a hole and fill it with our #1 pick. It's a money saver baby.

Apparently, Albert wants too much money in the team's eyes, doesn't fit the system moving forward, or both, and the team's not going to want to re-tag him again next year because of the money involved, if nothing else. Reid has shown that he's willing to make moves in order to get tackles he likes (1st round pick for Jason Peters), and this is supposed to be a strong OL draft that's weak at QB, so I'm not really feeling any sort of surprise here.

saphojunkie 04-17-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597226)
So you shouldn't expect the first overall pick in teh entire draft, to be a cornerstone player of your franchise and a top player at his position?

No, you cannot expect that. Period. It's impossible. It's ridiculous to think that.

That would mean that every single year there is a new guy going into the top five at his position. But we've clearly been told and shown that there are only certain positions worth the first overall pick.

You can't have a new top five QB every single year, or at least 8 out of 10 years. This whole line of thinking is so reeruned.

Draft classes are not unilaterally comparable. This is a down ****ing year, and everyone knows it. Personally, I think Geno Smith was the ****ing answer and I can't believe our shit luck about it. But Reid and Dorsey clearly don't believe he is, and so we are left with this scatter-brained offseason plan instead of a clean, simple solution to the problem.

It appears that Reid has a QB he is targeting in the second round. We are going Joeckel or Fisher and getting Nassib, Barkley, Scott, or Manuel in the second.

We have been shat on for years, and the rain ain't letting up.

Le sigh.

TribalElder 04-17-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9597322)
Only the Chiefs would choose to create a hole on the roster that doesn't exist, then use the most valuable pick in franchise history to fill said hole.

Glad I went tv instead of tickets

lolz

O.city 04-17-2013 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9597345)
Geno Smith wont.

As bad as the "Geno guys" are, you are just as bad. SNR didn't bring him up.


Don't start that shit.

DTLB58 04-17-2013 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9597278)
Dorsey is worse to listen to than *****. If you expect anything from him, you'll be severely disappointed.

Yes he is.

And why anyone thinks they are going to get "Answers" especially before the draft is beyond me. Like they think they can tell them what to and not to do. ROFL

O.city 04-17-2013 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9597353)
No, you cannot expect that. Period. It's impossible. It's ridiculous to think that.

That would mean that every single year there is a new guy going into the top five at his position. But we've clearly been told and shown that there are only certain positions worth the first overall pick.

You can't have a new top five QB every single year, or at least 8 out of 10 years. This whole line of thinking is so reeruned.

Draft classes are not unilaterally comparable. This is a down ****ing year, and everyone knows it. I think Geno Smith was the ****ing answer and I can't believe our shit luck about it.

Clearly, Reid has a QB he is targeting in the second round. We are going Joeckel or Fisher and getting Nassib, Barkley, Scott, or Manuel in the second.

We have been shat on for years, and the rain ain't letting up.

Le sigh.

Ridiculous to think that the first overall pick in the entire draft should be a cornerstone of your franchise? If you have the first pick in the draft, you obviously need more guys to build around, so you better find one.

RunKC 04-17-2013 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597355)
As bad as the "Geno guys" are, you are just as bad. SNR didn't bring him up.


Don't start that shit.

He's indirectly bringing it up. That's what they do.

They're just using Albert to show that frustration of us not drafting their guy.

O.city 04-17-2013 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9597364)
He's indirectly bringing it up. That's what they do.

They're just using Albert to show that frustration of us not drafting their guy.

Damn all these Chiefs fans who want us to draft a QB. What's wrong with them.

-King- 04-17-2013 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9597364)
He's indirectly bringing it up. That's what they do.

They're just using Albert to show that frustration of us not drafting their guy.

The Chiefs don't have to draft Geno. I personally think that they won't. But creating a hole and using the first overall pick to fill it is the stupidest thing you can do with a draft pick.

O.city 04-17-2013 07:39 PM

It could be argued that we are making a hole so that we can draft "BPA" first overall and not look like jackasses.

mdchiefsfan 04-17-2013 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597331)
I'm not arguing with that. He obviously doesn't see Albert as taht. But he does apparently see Joeckel as that.


So is it wrong to hold him to that standard?

It doesn't matter, right? It could be Fisher. We're debating a position here. Just wanted to clarify that I'm not choosing either LT.

But how does him, not seeing Albert as a top 10 at his position for his scheme, mean he is thinking Joekel will step in and be immediately top 10? As I said I hate the pick, but I think he wants to trade down for a reason. I think he feels So-and-so will play the scheme better than Albert would, our we wouldn't be here.

Hammock Parties 04-17-2013 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597368)
It could be argued that we are making a hole so that we can draft "BPA" first overall and not look like jackasses.

We're doing something jackassesque so we don't look like a jackass? OK.

RunKC 04-17-2013 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597365)
Damn all these Chiefs fans who want us to draft a QB. What's wrong with them.

Not this year bud. Wrong year unfortunately.

ILChief 04-17-2013 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9597349)
Hopefully not. Who is going to be average so we can avoid them?

According to this place Joeckel is Jordan Black and Albert is Anthony Munoz

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9597328)
Still hope to god they trade down.

How ****ing bad is it that we have the first overall pick, and trading down is best case scenario?

Mother****erJones 04-17-2013 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9597372)
Not this year bud. Wrong year unfortunately.

Why? Because there's no Luck, RG3 or Wilson?

Messier 04-17-2013 07:42 PM

Not saying I love Joeckel, but CP is the only place I hear about how overrated he is. I think most of the hate is Geno love, mixed with hearing Joeckels name associated with the first pick for too long.

Simply Red 04-17-2013 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9597344)
Albert > Joeckel

Millner > Sean Smith

Dolphins > Chiefs

Est. 1971


Shula's even > Jack Stack, huh?

Bewbies 04-17-2013 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9597376)
How ****ing bad is it that we have the first overall pick, and trading down is best case scenario?

LMAO


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