LNBS: Aaron Murray will be our Nick Foles
 

I think both guys waited a year too long to enter the draft.

If Nick Foles had come out after his junior year, he would have had a chance to be a first round pick. If Aaron Murray came out last year, he would have, too. Heck, Tony Dungy said on espn last year that he would take Aaron Murray first overall if he had come out.

I know some here have said the guy won't ever have a chance to start, but I really think the kid can do everything Alex Smith did last year and then some, if given the chance.

This. One more thing, Aaron Murray might throw that back shoulder throw better than any QB I've ever seen coming out of college. That's becoming a staple in NFL offenses all around the league, and it's virtually unstoppable. He can make all the other necessary throws also and his arm strength is better than people say. He's a very underrated passer in general.

The only difference is, (and a big one) is that Foles has a ****ing cannon arm and some size while Murray's got a noodle and he's a midget.

So you are basically hoping he somehow becomes low-end Jeff Garcia high-end Drew Brees.

can't wait till Ricky stanzi gets some playing time...he's our Tom Brady

This.

He doesn't have a noodle arm.

This.

Average.

JFC

He is undersized but he DOES NOT have a noodle arm. Dumbass

People love to throw out the term "noodle arm" without really understanding that some of the best quarterbacks of all time didn't have cannons.

Joe Montana sure as hell didn't have a cannon. Neither did Fran Tarkenton, Drew Brees, or Joe Namath.

Elvis Grbac had a cannon. So did Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf.

So stop already with the noodle arm bullshit argument.

I like Murray, and thought more highly of him than a 5th round QB.

But generally 5th rounders are 5th rounders for a reason.

I would really love to see us, for once, be the team that finds that hidden gem, but I won't be holding my breath.

Since when does an average NFL arm = Noodle? ****ing reeruned assertion.

I wish the intrawebnets were around when Jerry Rice was drafted. "He's a lead ass with no speed. Dude runs a 4.55!!!!! He gonna suck111111!!!!!!"

And by the way, Brokie Croyle had a cannon. He never won an NFL game.

He blew out his knee late in November.

And threw a TD pass shortly after he blew out his knee.

I had the QBs ranked like this pre-draft:

Bridgewater
Bortles
Carr
Murray
Manziel
Savage
Bunch of other dudes guaranteed to suck

I'm more pissed about passing on Bridgewater than Manziel. So after that, Murray was the QB I wanted the entire time. It's unbelievable to me that we got him in the 5th.

He's got far more starting potential than a lot of people on here are giving him credit for. His floor is as a Chase Daniel backup. That's his floor. Which is damn high and kind of impressive, really.

The path to becoming a starter in the pros for him isn't as unlikely as some people are saying. I'm still not holding my breath for him to do it, but it's no worse than most other QBs you get from the 2nd round and later.

At this point, the biggest dragon for him to slay is Buttchin, and the sooner he does it the better. I'll be rooting for him, certainly.

4.67 actually

Excellent, even better.:D

I'm aware of that.

Watched a lot of Murray, and have always liked him.
Felt he has the same kind of accuracy and anticipation in his game as Brees.

But if he was really thought of as a high draft pick before the knee, I really doubt that knee would have caused a drop into the fifth round.

This.

If you wanna see a real noodle arm, plug in some highlight tape of Downfield Damon Huard. THAT'S a noodle arm.

Matt "Pro Bowl" Cassel *drops the mic*

How far would Russel Wilson have fell if he blew out his knee in November of his final year in college?

Probably because NFL scouts caught on the fact his track record against top college defenses is pretty lackluster to say it nicely.

Not saying that's going to be a prohibitive factor from here on out but that's my guess.

I'd rather have Foles.

You'd rather have the guy who was brilliant last year in the NFL over an unproven rookie.

Wow, way to go out on a limb there.

Which games aainst good defenses did he struggle in last year?

298 yards 4tds 1int and a rushing td against LSU
309 yards 4tds 0ints against S Carolina
415 yards 2td passing 2rushing tds 1int against Auburn

I'm struggling to find the bad games from last year...

Or he could be our Kevin Kolb or AJ Feeley

He would also rather eat cake than stick his penis in a light socket.

It's true! Just ask him!

Manning does alright with a noodle arm.

A big arm is overrated. All you need is better than a wet noodle arm, and Murray definitely has an adequate arm.

I agree with BossChief. Murray meets all of Foles's elements.

That's a good question and gives me pause for thought.

I didn't really see a lot of Wilson in college, so I have no foundation to speculate.

Murray's arm is just as strong as Brees arm. IMO it's stronger, but that's subjective. Dude pushed the ball down field for Georgia every game.

Not sure where this nonsense is coming from that he has a weak arm.

I think he might be talking about how it seemed that Murray seemed to come up short late in big games.

I tend to blame Richt and the offensive staff, but I could see how that might color an opinion.

Only one problem. Foles is actually good.

Brees doesn't have a strong arm.

He makes his money with accuracy and anticipation.

I thought that's where he was going with that and that's why I was trying to lead this back to Nick Foles.

Foles "came up short" a lot as a senior and lost a lot of shoot outs. I think that's part of what knocked his stock down, too.

Every 6-0 tall white quarterback is automatically Drew Brees.

Sort of how every small, white slot receiver is Wes Welker.

Yeah, I agree.

I really liked Foles coming out too.

What I'm saying is his arm isn't a liability to his game.

If a receiver has a step on his man on a deep route, Aaron Murray's arm isn't gonna keep him from completing those passes in the NFL. His arm is plenty strong enough to throw the deep comeback, deep outs, basically every route he would ever be asked to throw in this offense.

Russel Wilson isn't Drew Brees.

And Chase Daniel sure as hell isn't either.

The LSU tape is a thing of beauty. He doesn't exactly have a lot to work with either

Manning has a noodle arm because of his injury.

The fact that you are evening using Peyton Manning to defend 5th round pick Aaron Murray is a ****ing reach of a counter argument in itself.

This guy has 1st round talent. Definitely not available in the 5th without the injury. That and height I guess.

Didn't he have a bad pro day or workout? Maybe that's where it started? Who knows.....I wouldn't say it's the strongest arm, but it's plenty strong enough from games I've seen him in.

The nice thing about having Murray is they can probably start him out on pup and let Bray have his chance to lock down the 2 spot so we can cut Daniel loose and free up a bunch of money this year and next.

That will be huge if it can happen because I think a shit load of very talented vets are gonna get unexpectedly cut this offseason because of rookies taking their jobs...sure would be nice to have more money to add those guys to the roster, or to have more money to lock up guys like Houston or Berry.

If we flip Murray for a 2nd in a couple years, great. That's the worst case scenario.

Keep drafting QB's 'till you strike gold.

Foles had a terrible pro day.

Scouts repeatedly asked him to throw certain routes with a tight spiral and he couldn't do it.

That scared off teams that play a lot in bad weather because if you can't throw those routes in the meadowlands in December, they don't want you.

Andy Reid sees things like that as correctable.

Alex Smith needs to have a career year against a murderers row of good defenses next year to be locked up long term.

If he doesn't, I can see Aaron Murray having a chance to Foles him...but not as a rookie due to injury rehab...more probably in 2015 if Alex is still struggling at the halfway point.

That's my conclusion looking at this chart: (Q'ing myself, yeah I know)

http://i.imgur.com/MbLTDsL.png

The split between bad defenses and competent ones is what I'm talking about.

Honestly, Joe was always dinking and dunking for 5-6 yard gains and he has a lot of YPAC in his career as well with the RB's and crazy Jerry..

Tbh, and I know 99% would disagree, but alex plays the game a lot like Joe did... Joe never threw for 4k+ yards in his entire career (got close) but you can see how "attempts" really are a factor for how many yards a QB racks up... Montana is argued to be the greatest of all time, but by stats wise for some, he is getting out slinged by over half the NFL's QBs at the moment in terms of Yards and Touchdowns...

Everybody is always throwing around omgg best QB he threw 5k yards X amount of TD's but the people who really understand football understand that those QB's are attempting close to 200+ more passes than other QB's and are throwing the ball more in the redzone than other QB's.. And it has nothing to do with "well the coaches trust them that's why they do that". No.. Coaches like Mike Martz, Norv Turner, Sean payton will always be throw first coaches, if they don't like the QB throwing they will just get a new one, but each coach has there scheme..

(for example) Andy Reid likes to throw the ball, its not a coincidence that this last year was Alex's most attempts ever in his career and that's just Year 1 with Andy and Co... I can see those attempts sky rocketing if not at the very least more in 2014 with more time and understanding of the offense/team after Year1..

and if the extension comes before he plays out against murders row and we are locked into him for 3-4 seasons? Then what? Murray sits for almost 5 years?

Murray has a weak arm, and Ford is a 34 DE.

The only extension they will give him will be a reasonable one.

They can keep him in KC the next 3 years for a total of 44 million by tagging him twice after this year.

Aaron Murray will be our 2013 Tyler Bray.

Exactly.

Where does this shit come from?

It's a shame he got injured when he did because Murray could have Ealy helped his draft stock during the senior bowl.

Good for us, though.

Tyler Bray is the version of Ricky Stanzi who is not holding a lottery ticket.

I hope like hell that Bray is released before the start of PS so that I never have to read his name again.

Not even close.

Bray is a guy that has a strong arm and NOTHING else. For the WCO, he is/was a big time project.

Murray could teach Bray a lot about being a quarterback.

LMAO

I'd tend to agree.

All I saw from Bray at camp was a guy that could throw a perfect deep pass, but had no sense for pressure, his ball security was poor, his feet were slow as shit and he seemed to force the deep ball.

Not much of that translates to the WCO without a huge project undertaking and I'm not sure Bray has what it takes between the ears to complete such a task.

Some truly stupid shit has been posted recently about wanting to release Daniel and keep Bray and Murray.

Why?

So when Smith goes down, which is entirely possible given his track record, the Chiefs have absolutely zero ****ing chance of even being representable on Sundays? So we can try to replicate the Tyler mother****ing Palko era?

But, but, but Daniel[s] sucks!!2!! Yeah, and he's a mother****ing HOFer compared to the likes of UDFA Bray. That's reality. And so is Murray.

If Murray was actually any good with starting potential, teams would not pass on him all the way until the 5th round regardless of whether or not he got injured last year. He's a freaken QB who wasn't very mobile in the first place anyways, his ACL injury, if it dropped him at all, would have hurt him by maybe 1 round. Murray is a career backup, not a future star.

I can assume only that this post was in no way a response to mine.

People want to get rid of Daniel because he is due 8 million the next 2 years.

If a vet backup from a WCO shakes loose, I'd love to go into next year with a cheap vet and Aaron Murray as the 2 and 3.

His cap hit in 2015 is 4.8 million.

This will be his last year in KC, anyway.

I don't think Bray offers anything to this offense unless he has utilized every minute of this offseason to hone his skills and develop a lot of skills that seemed completely non existent.

He's an Alex only fan, he wants every other QB on the roster to suck except Alex.

If there's one thing I learned from Tomahawk and Tribal Warfare's ultra-creepy Bray stalker thread, it's that Bray has an overinflated ego that loves to soothe itself by relentlessly posting on instagram and impressing his douchebag friends from high school and college. His obsession with his upcoming marriage made me want to barf.

That reminded me exactly of Brodie Croyle, how when Trent Green got traded and the media asked Croyle about the possibility of taking over as starting QB, he responded with something like, "I'm not thinking about that right now. I've got my wedding coming up in June, and that's my first priority."

Yes, being married is one of the most rewarding things you can do with your life. But seriously... weddings ****ing suck. Especially when they interfere with the opportunity to become immortal. You're gussying shit up and running errands for your bitch for months on end all so you can see the glorious outcome of all that work in.... a ceremony. What the ****? We're not saying you can't get married Brodie. We're just telling you to get to Arrowhead's facilities and start putting in craptons of overtime hours starting now. Don't wait until June. You just lost 2-3 months of good worktime over your stupid wedding that will be over in one day, and all you have to remember it by is the leftover stress, shitty pictures, and a bill that will make your parents want to shoot you in the face.

If you're being looked to as an NFL QB, **** your wedding. You take off one week AT THE MOST between the end of the season and when you can start working out at facilities in March. Either your bitch does all the planning, or you get married in a courthouse. You don't touch that shit. You concentrate on football. Because you're a goddamn QB.

The Chiefs save $1M against the cap to cut him this season, correct? If that's correct, there's almost zero reason to cut him this year.

Next year, which is completely irrelevant at this point, he's gone. Murray will likely be here. If he shows signs, he might be the #2. If he doesn't, he'll have one more year to develop behind a vet signed (I hope) on the cheap to be the primary backup.

Hell, the Chiefs will likely try to draft over the top of Murray next year, too, if he drinks from the dick sock Stanzi style.

Thanks for your input, Carl Peterson.

you have only one franchise tag and we have two players to give it to: Alex Smith and Justin Houston.

If Alex Smith gets locked up first, your entire Aaron Murray is the future then has a huge roadblock in it.

If Houston gets the extension first, then your Murray theory is sound. It's basically a race for the first domino to fall.

If neither get extended by the time the season starts, the Chiefs are ****ed.

Where is the Dane bat light? There are a lot of mothers who need to be ****ed in this thread.

Holla at Sauto when you see him in the street.

LOL, I was messing around with that shit


If you want to take it seriously, then I can't help you

I agree, SNR.

If you want a chance to be a starting quarterback in the nfl, it's not just a full time job..it's an 80 hour a week career.

You need to get to the facility the same time as your coaches do and when you leave you need to have film with you and watch film 1-3 hours per night on your own time...with teammates. When you aren't doing tat, you need to be spending a lot of time with your OL building chemistry...then sending a lot of time with your receivers on the fields to develop chemistry.

Being a successful NFL QB has a lot more to do with preparation than having a hot wife and being able to throw 70 yard passes.

After signing draft picks, they won't have more than 3 million left.

Neither guy is getting signed long term till next offseason.

If I were a head coach, I'd make all my QBs marry mean and ugly women so they have extra motivation to stay away from home as much as possible.

Like, I'd pay Kate Gosselin to marry whichever guy I draft.

I know you were. But the tweets and instagrams nevertheless revealed that Tyler Bray is too much of an airhead and a douchebag to ever put his arm talent to good use in the pros

I wonder if Stanzi will make the Jags roster

Have you anything to say about the spreadsheet I linked early BC? Because I'd like to hear your take on it as it relates to Murray and the other recently drafted QBs.

The fact is this.

Dorsey is a guy who stays true to his board.

His board told him that Aaron Murray was the 163rd best player in this entire draft and a 5th round talent. Hell, 31 other teams in the league decided that Aaron Murray wasn't worth taking before the 163rd pick of the draft. If he thought that Murray was better than that or any more than a backup in this league, he would have taken him in the 3rd at the very latest. Good QBs are valued too high for teams to just allow them to slip in the draft and hope that they can get them later.

You guys keep comparing him to Drew Brees and Russel Wilson. With the success of those two in this league, do you really think that, with the amount of tape that he has, if teams honestly thought that Murray had that kind of upside, he would get passed up by every QB needy team in this league and by every team that has an aging starter?

It's a QB driven league; QBs are valued astronomically higher than most any other position and even if you already have a solid starter, a high quality back-up still has tremendous value as trade bait or an emergency starter.

It's no accident that Murray was available at the 23rd pick in the 5th round after no team sought fit to even spend a supplemental pick on him in the two rounds prior.

Let's try to temper our expectations for him. ROFL

I don't get where the noodle arm stuff with murray comes from. Not every NFL QB is going to have Jeff George's arm. If a guy can learn an offense that fits his skillset (and that of his teammates) intricately, can read defenses like a book, and has enough arm strength to lead receivers into small windows, he'll be okay.

"Adequate" is actually fine, in terms of arm strength, if the other tools are more than that. That's how Trent Green averaged nearly 4000 yards a season here for half a decade, and it's why Tom Brady and most likely Drew Brees will be going into the Hall of Fame. Hell, I'm not even sure the mental part isn't the most important facet of them all, for all the fascination we have with the physical attributes.

It's a nice resource, and it's worth keeping an eye on his performance against the better defenses if he ever earns a chance to lead an NFL team.

If you want my personal opinion, I think that with quarterbacks, you look for growth in not only production but moreso with the capacity of what the player can understand, interpret and translate classroom football with what happens on the field the fastest and most efficiently.

I think these numbers are based on his career as a whole and if you weigh the averages with what he was able to do last year, you will see that growth.

He had really good games against LSU, Auburn and S Carolina last year.

I'm glad we drafted him.