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KCrockaholic 02-18-2013 05:03 AM

Dee Milliner, Xavier Rhodes, Jonathan Banks
 
http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/18/cbs-1/

Guy just did his CB report.

Some good stuff. My only question regarding Rhodes is how much time was he in coverage? FSU had a beastly pass rush like usual. I'm willing to bet Rhodes wasn't in coverage for long on average compared to Banks and Milliner. Noticed how on 3rd down Rhodes is suddenly the best CB. Pass rush.

Rhodes is still pretty damn good on his own though.

Dayze 02-18-2013 11:51 AM

that's pretty interesting to read.

Saccopoo 02-18-2013 02:26 PM

I think that all three of these guys are going to be gone by the time the Chiefs pick in the top of the second round. The Chiefs should have a potential pick between Poyer and David Amerson.

People are forgetting that Amerson was absolutely brilliant in 2011 when he led the NCAA's with a remarkable 13 interceptions. He tried too hard to equal that in 2012 and got caught a lot trying to get in-between the receiver and ball versus just playing the receiver. However, size and skill set wise, Amerson is easily on the same level as these three guys.

IMO, I think that Amerson, Milliner, Rhodes and Banks are near clones of each other and all will be pretty damn good CB's on the next level, especially if you are the Chiefs and are looking for a complimentary press coverage guy playing opposite of Flowers.

Nightfyre 02-18-2013 08:04 PM

There is so much quality at defensive back. First round talents:

Milliner, CB, Alabama
Rhodes, CB, FSU
Amerson, CB, NCSU
Banks, CB, Mississippi State
Eric Reid, S, LSU
Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma
Matt Elam, S, Florida

If we don't get a first round talent at defensive back, it will be because a first round talent at defensive lineman or pass rusher fell. That second round pick is so valuable in this draft, imo.

RealSNR 02-18-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9413782)
There is so much quality at defensive back. First round talents:

Milliner, CB, Alabama
Rhodes, CB, FSU
Amerson, CB, NCSU
Banks, CB, Mississippi State
Eric Reid, S, LSU
Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma
Matt Elam, S, Florida

If we don't get a first round talent at defensive back, it will be because a first round talent at defensive lineman or pass rusher fell. That second round pick is so valuable in this draft, imo.

EXACTLY. We can get a legitimately great player with that pick that we wouldn't need to make with the #1 overall.

Spend that #1 overall on worthless needs like QB. Spend our 2nd rounder on the REAL value of this draft, which is CB and S.

:)

O.city 02-18-2013 09:13 PM

What would you guys think of Bacarri Rambo, as a day 3 pick?

RunKC 02-18-2013 09:24 PM

Logan Ryan too. The guy is really good.

DJ's left nut 02-19-2013 03:19 PM

I have also resigned myself to Rhodes not being available at 2.2.

If he were, I'd sprint my ass to the podium to get him, though. He's a no-bout 1st round talent and had he stayed for his SR season, he'd be the #1 CB in next season's draft.

Sorter 02-19-2013 05:13 PM

Crazy hypothetical scenario: Floyd, Richardson, Banks, Amerson, Rhodes, Milliner, are all off the board at 25.

Would you trade up to get Vaccaro?

Disclaimer: This scenario is beyond unlikely and I haven't really watched any film of Vaccaro as I figured he'd be long gone before this could even seem probable.

O.city 02-19-2013 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9416485)
Crazy hypothetical scenario: Floyd, Richardson, Banks, Amerson, Rhodes, Milliner, are all off the board at 25.

Would you trade up to get Vaccaro?

Disclaimer: This scenario is beyond unlikely and I haven't really watched any film of Vaccaro as I figured he'd be long gone before this could even seem probable.

No, probably not.


I'm actually a little bit intrigued with the safety we just signed. He was good yhear before he went holy land.

Nightfyre 02-19-2013 05:25 PM

Vaccaro and Berry as safeties could make it very interesting. You would have a hard time generating a mismatch on them because they both boast outstanding versatility.

Titty Meat 02-19-2013 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9416521)
Vaccaro and Berry as safeties could make it very interesting. You would have a hard time generating a mismatch on them because they both boast outstanding versatility.

Keep dreaming

O.city 02-19-2013 05:49 PM

And really, I love the Cyprien kid.

RunKC 02-19-2013 09:05 PM

Honestly, I think we may even be able to get our CB in round 3 just as the Packers did last year when they picked Casey Hayward from Vanderbilt.

Dee Milliner, Johnthan Banks, Xavier Rhodes, Desmond Trufant, Jordan Poyer, David Amerson, Logan Ryan.

Then you have a bunch of underrated guys like Robert Alford, Leon McFadden and Blide Wreh-Wilson.

If we can get Logan Ryan with our 3rd round pick I'll be ****ing pumped.

O.city 02-19-2013 09:23 PM

I've heard from some talking heads that Wreh Wilson might end up being the best CB in this class.

SAUTO 02-19-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9417371)
I've heard from some talking heads that Wreh Wilson might end up being the best CB in this class.

He has the most ****ed up name for sure
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htismaqe 02-19-2013 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9417406)
He has the most ****ed up name for sure
Posted via Mobile Device

It's too close to Meh.

If I ever have a son, I'm gonna name him Meh.

KCrockaholic 02-20-2013 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9417371)
I've heard from some talking heads that Wreh Wilson might end up being the best CB in this class.

He's not bad. But I wouldn't put him above Rhodes, Milliner or Banks. Probably not over Amerson either.

the Talking Can 02-20-2013 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9414017)
What would you guys think of Bacarri Rambo, as a day 3 pick?

would gladly spend one of our 3rds on him...he is athletic, made a lot of clutch plays at georgia and is pretty much fearless

i don't know if he 'fits' with berry...maybe someone could chime in on that

DaKCMan AP 02-20-2013 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9418148)
would gladly spend one of our 3rds on him...he is athletic, made a lot of clutch plays at georgia and is pretty much fearless

i don't know if he 'fits' with berry...maybe someone could chime in on that

He's a FS so Berry would stay at SS.


Yes - I like Rambo. I'd take him if he's still there with our 3rd. Maybe he'll pull a 'Georgia' and get busted for dub so we can grab him in the 4th or 5th.

Nightfyre 02-20-2013 08:08 AM

Thing I like about Rambo is he is always going after the ball. Whether it be strip or pick, he is always trying to get that ball.

htismaqe 02-20-2013 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9418156)
He's a FS so Berry would stay at SS.


Yes - I like Rambo. I'd take him if he's still there with our 3rd. Maybe he'll pull a 'Georgia' and get busted for dub so we can grab him in the 4th or 5th.

ROFL

DJ's left nut 02-20-2013 10:18 AM

Rambo's been my target at 3.1 all along, I really like him alongside Berry.

I know it means that Berry won't be moving to FS, but I think that ship has sailed. At least this would give us 2 guys that aren't afraid to hit, have good range and a nose for the ball.

Geno, Rhodes, Rambo and JIMP. We'd go right back to having one of the best secondaries in football.

the Talking Can 02-20-2013 10:27 AM

1Geno
2Rhodes
3Rambo
3Bailey (doubt either is available here, in reality)

profit

Frosty 02-20-2013 11:30 AM

The reports from the Senior Bowl on Rambo were universally negative. I wonder if that will drop him down?

DJ's left nut 02-20-2013 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9418856)
The reports from the Senior Bowl on Rambo were universally negative. I wonder if that will drop him down?

He has some motor problems, so I could see him getting himself in trouble at the Senior Bowl, for sure.

At some point talent's going to trump. I think he'll certainly be there at 3.1, but I can't imagine some team not taking a gamble on him before the comp pick in the 3rd. Pass defense is just too critical and Rambo is damn good at playing the football and working in space.

Molitoth 02-20-2013 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9417371)
I've heard from some talking heads that Wreh Wilson might end up being the best CB in this class.

After what I've witnessed this year from the "talking heads" and their opinion on Geno Smith, I no longer put much value in what they have to say.

htismaqe 02-20-2013 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9418932)
He has some motor problems, so I could see him getting himself in trouble at the Senior Bowl, for sure.

At some point talent's going to trump. I think he'll certainly be there at 3.1, but I can't imagine some team not taking a gamble on him before the comp pick in the 3rd. Pass defense is just too critical and Rambo is damn good at playing the football and working in space.

I'm starting to believe that the Senior Bowl is one big trap.


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