Ravens Fire Cam Cameron
 

Matt Vensel ‏@mattvensel

It's official. Cam Cameron is gone.

deserved

Daboll: still employed.

wow, he isn't the best in the world, but a far cry better than Daboll and Daboll still has a job?

again....Chiefs ownership/management are pussies.

Just a victim of the "Average" that is Joe Flacco....

They need a bigger sample size. You can't rush these things

If you are going to clean house after the season, why fire someone now?

Decisive organization. Clark, are you watching?

Nah, let these coaches wear it. Let the losses sit on their records and keep pushing us towards a #1 pick for the new GM.

Why keep them around?

The Chiefs should've made the decision a month ago. Now, perception is killing them.

I'm fine with them waiting etc. Just sayin the come off as pussies...more so than usual.

Because you don't have anybody to replace them and because you don't want the new GM/HC to start their career here with the stench of losing.

There's ABSOLUTELY zero functional reason to fire anybody now.

And placating the fans is not a functional reason.

?

It's the Chiefs.

Wow 18th in yards. 15th in passing. 17th rushing. 9th scoring.
Flacco 11th in yards and a rating of 87. Rice 10th in rushing tied for 4th in tds.

Something else had to be going on to get fired.

Flacco's eyebrows made the final decision.

That's the difference between a team that expects wins vs a team that's ok with losing as long as the game was competative

You can't fire a coordinator mid-season, it creates too much disruption and upheaval.

Yup

I would love to see Clark and Pioli put this turd on the field in Philly, or NY.

I haven't paid a lick of attention to the Ravens. What did he do that was so egregious? I thought everybody liked him there.

He let RGIII and Nick Foles drive down the field in the last couple of minutes to tie the game.

Wait...that seems wrong.

Cameron's a good OC. Though, in defense of the Ravens here, Cameron has lost track of Ray Rice a few times this year. That's a pretty egregious screwup.

Cameron was fired because his bosses want to get better at that position.

Daboll hasn't been fired because his bosses are busy looking for jobs.

Baltimore is 25in yards given up. 10th in pts.

9wins. Division leader and half of thier losses the d got rocked.

So that example does not really vibe.

That's what happens when you repeatedly give Ray Rice 9 carries in a game.

Jim Caldwell has been promoted to OC.

ROFL

It will be interesting to hear some reasons why Cameron was fired. I guess it was his job to stop RGIII/Cousins after his O put up 28 points. Scapegoat! At 9-4? :spock:

There's your next QB coach.

Daboll thinks Cameron is a dumb shit

Oh, this old song and dance.

The Ravens disagree with your logic.

Don't the Ravens have a looming showdown with Joe Flacco's contract?

It's entirely possible this was an appeasement deal - trying to win favor with Flacco in an effort to ease up on his demands a bit.

I'm sure CHunt will have another press conference! And like RC, do nothing more than a quick recap of what we just saw (as if we didn't see it!!) and tell us again how the things his team does isn't going to win games. I thin they need another meaningless sign in the locker room!

The Ravens are 9-4 and looking to improve ONE coaching position.

The Chiefs are 2-11 and looking to improve EVERY coaching position.

There's absolutely NO COMPARISON between the 2 situations so what the Ravens think about my logic concerning the Chiefs is 100% irrelevant.

Oh, that's right, CHunt is scared of cameras and the press (unless they agree to be nice)...

That makes more sense than his performance.

Sometimes they get away from the run, but if the defense is puking up scores, you have to pass, or end up like the chiefs with 0 margin for error,

Seemed to me like he wasn't doing a bad job, but like I said, I haven't paid attention to the Ravens at all.

i would take Cam Cameron

Ya, i beginning to think that no coaching firing for us means that everyone is gone.

If Pioli was staying i think there would be some coaching changes during the season. They still could happen but it's looking more and more like a house cleaning.

I've watched a lot of the Ravens games this year. For some reason, even when Ray Rice is gaining 5+ YPC he'll keep calling passes over and over again.

Exactly.

The reason everyone from Pioli down has not been fired midseason is that from an organizational standpoint it looks BAD.
It looks reactionary and unstable. You take your lumps with the guys you chose, then you fire them after the season and choose new guys. Nobody wants to take the job with the unstable, freak-out-and-fire-everybody owner. The fans would love it if Clark held a press conference and showed up, red faced and screaming, firing everybody and calling them worthless pieces of shit. However, nobody competent would ever, ever come here afterwards.
It's politics. You project that you are a steady ship looking for a better captain and you'll be able to hire well.

There is going to be an impressive list of offensive coordinators that will 9Most likely) be available for next season

Cam Cameron
Andy Reid
Ken Whisenhunt
Norf Turner

Nowhere to go but up.

this too

especially since Daboll/Crennel are 1st year guys at their positions for us

what does everyone think about Whisenhunt?

This. Why the Ravens think Jim Caldwell is an improvement is a mystery to me. That clown is every bit the fraud Romeo has been here.
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Hes just a Kurt Warner away from being good again.

But is he a Geno Smith away from being good again?

No to Cameron or Whisenhunt

Hmmm..probably not. Hes never developed a young QB, and hes never really won alot of games. Their Super Bowl year they just got hot at the right time.

Of those guys, I'd like Turner. He's got experience coaching up QB's (Aikman, Rivers) and I like his vertical take on offense.

I question whether Geno Smith would fit his offense either.


seems to me that Whisenhunt likes the quick,timing passing game.


I would think that Geno would fit best in an offense that takes advantage of his superior deep passing.

heh, i know alot of fans hate to hear this, but Andy Reid is the most proven guy who will be available whith a history of success with young QBs.

I disagree here. If I'm Hunt, firing Pioli now (actually weeks ago) would give me a chance to observe the operation of the FO and the interim GM. I know it's very unlikely that we do have a diamond in the rough future GM in our own office, but it would make me look stupid if I (Clark) missed out on him, in case there is. How that potential candidate handle the adversity the rest of the season will be a great exploratory tool for Clark.

Marty Mornhinweg?

I would take him as an OC in a heartbeat but i still think he will get another shot as a Head Coach. He will probably want to do both (HC/OC) again. He is another guy that ignores the run a lot.

I don't like the dual roles much


Don't want my HC to have player personnel or be a coordinator.

This! Turner as an OC would finally be a breath of fresh air! If not Turner then I would prefer that we go young with the HC and allow him to bring in his own college coordinator. Our team needs life!

Every single position in our front office is manned by people HAND-PICKED by Pioli based on personal relationships rather then MERIT.

There is ZERO reason to evaluate any of them. They all need to be fired with Pioli.

This isn't entirely true, there are holdovers like Ray Farmer.

But yeah, anyone Pioli brought in needs axe.

too far ... again

In your opinion...again.

Ray Farmer is highly respected as well but it sounds like no one wants to hire him away because they fear he is sorta toxic right now working under this Chiefs front office led by Pioli.

Ray Farmer had been with the Chiefs since 2006, most notably as the Director of Pro Personnel.

During that time, the Chiefs have compiled an impressive 38-71 record.

I'm surprised nobody wants to hire him away.

Bears hired Phil Emery and he's working out ok so far

but Daboll's from the Parcell's Tree.LMAO

whenever i watched the ravens, they were using Rice as a decoy or a blocking back while throwing some very low percentage pass routes regardless of situation....

it just seemed clumsy...

Good God, no.

Are you even serious??

There isn't a sarcasm font, you know...

I find it impossible to imagine Andy Reid being an OC again. :shrug:

complete and utter crap


people just making shit up

unless he prefers to take a step back because he's tired of the shit.

You're new here. It's Frankie.

He wont be. Hes earned the right to not regress and take a demotion.

It's much more likely that people don't want to hire him because he's BAD AT HIS JOB.

38-71.

i would think so too.

It's much more likely that his job performance is effecting his job offers instead of some make-believe Pioli crap.

Amazing what having a QB can do for ya...

The Ravens are making the playoffs so there's an incentive to fire one or two coaches now as opposed to firing them after the regular season and still having a plyiff game later that week.

Chiefs don't have any incentive to fire anyone now. Might as well let everyone stay these next 3 weeks and totally clean house on black Monday.
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This.

Ravens fans hate Cam as much as we hate Dabol. I'm inclined to believe them.

Yup

I have to watch flaco everyweek. He sort of mopes around the sidelines by himself and plays football like he's bored and confused. The writing was on the wall for cam cameron when he was forced to drop their dogsht no huddle offense two weeks ago. No question Flaco probably whined to ownership.

Oh noes... Norf Turner ROFL

I think you were confusing your favorite pr0n actor Peter Norf?

DT

Flacco is average. Baltimore needs to move beyond him.

Hopefully this weakens them for their next game.

I'm all for organizations that take action but this is assinine. Nobody's ever heard of a team that wins their division fire their OC 3 weeks before the playoffs.

This is just another example of how the Harbaugh brothers are a couple of dicks.