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L.A. Chieffan 10-17-2013 08:24 PM

Baseball Keeper Question
 
I have to keep 4 guys, I draft 2nd next season 12 teams

Im gonna go with

Goldschmidt
A. Jones
Tulo

for my fourth I have to choose between Machado, Kemp, G. Cole.

Should I take a gamble with Machado or Kemp especially since Machado is still very young and plays 3rd? His injury is supposed to be pretty serious and he might not be back before the season starts. Cole is intriguing too since he's the only pitcher I have worth keeping and I think hes gonna be a stud.

What say you guys?

Ceej 10-17-2013 08:26 PM

Matt Cassel.

Sfeihc 10-17-2013 08:33 PM

Machado. Unless you can work a mega deal involving these guys that would improve your four. I kinda like the idea of keeping Manny, Jones, Goldy and Tulo as a core. All you need is a C, 2b and a couple OFs to complete your lineup.

L.A. Chieffan 10-17-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 10095144)
Machado. Unless you can work a mega deal involving these guys that would improve your four. I kinda like the idea of keeping Manny, Jones, Goldy and Tulo as a core. All you need is a C, 2b and a couple OFs to complete your lineup.

Yeah youre probably right. If he hadnt put his knee through a meat grinder it would be a no brainer and I still think its worth it. The only other thing that might stop me is having two key guys on my team that both play for Baltimore but I guess thats not that big of a deal.

KC_Connection 10-17-2013 11:59 PM

Manny Machado. He's only going to get better.

cookster50 10-19-2013 07:40 AM

Batter over pitcher every time. Machado.

BlackHelicopters 10-19-2013 08:07 AM

M Machado

L.A. Chieffan 02-20-2014 09:58 AM

Machado or Kemp?

KC_Connection 02-20-2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 10443078)
Machado or Kemp?

Machado. Kemp can't stay healthy and his best years are likely in the past.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-20-2014 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 10443078)
Machado or Kemp?

Manny, but he will most likely miss the first 2 weeks.

duncan_idaho 02-23-2014 06:22 PM

Machado.

All the reports on his rehab are extremely positive. No need to be concerned, long-term.

And there's still a chance they don't get Hardy re-signed after this season, which would mean Manny moves to SS.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 02-24-2014 10:03 PM

Crazy to see Goldschmidt going so high in the drafts/bids. He was my neighbor growing up. He used to blast the shit out of a tennis ball when we played ball with plastic bats in the street. Dude had massive buck teeth before braces

lewdog 02-25-2014 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10451671)
Crazy to see Goldschmidt going so high in the drafts/bids. He was my neighbor growing up. He used to blast the shit out of a tennis ball when we played ball with plastic bats in the street. Dude had massive buck teeth before braces

I ****ing love Goldy!

Are you still in contact with him?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 02-25-2014 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 10453580)
I ****ing love Goldy!

Are you still in contact with him?

No. I was closer to a couple other kids in the neighborhood and I stopped playing LL in the 6th grade. His family moved to another house when I was like 12 or so. I was a grade ahead and the schools from our town are pretty big. But yeah, just a few houses down for about 6 or 7 years.

Interestingly enough we went to the same college too. I didn't realize he was such a stud until he got there. His teammate Kyle Drabek seemed to get all the attention in high school.

Discuss Thrower 02-27-2014 05:30 PM

I'm in a $400 Rotisserie keeper league... Who do I have to keep?

duncan_idaho 02-28-2014 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10457562)
I'm in a $400 Rotisserie keeper league... Who do I have to keep?

$400 auction? or just a $400 pot? If it's auction, we can't see your prices.

How many keepers do you get? And how many teams in the league? Your pitching staff is ridic.

Discuss Thrower 02-28-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10458548)
$400 auction? or just a $400 pot? If it's auction, we can't see your prices.

How many keepers do you get? And how many teams in the league? Your pitching staff is ridic.

5 keepers but you void picks based on their keeper value. 300 is for the pot and 100 is for the draft being held at the K

duncan_idaho 02-28-2014 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10458822)
5 keepers but you void picks based on their keeper value. 300 is for the pot and 100 is for the draft being held at the K

OK. Working off a snake draft, then, I assume?

In that case, I'd keep Braun, Kershaw, King Felix, Strasburg and probably Gyorko.

You'd need to focus on hitting out of the draft box, but you're also ending up with 4 top 20-30 players and a MI with 30 HR power, as well as one of the best all-around talents in the game.

Discuss Thrower 02-28-2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10459481)
OK. Working off a snake draft, then, I assume?

In that case, I'd keep Braun, Kershaw, King Felix, Strasburg and probably Gyorko.

You'd need to focus on hitting out of the draft box, but you're also ending up with 4 top 20-30 players and a MI with 30 HR power, as well as one of the best all-around talents in the game.

I can't keep Braun Kershaw and Strasburg. They're all KV at 1.

duncan_idaho 02-28-2014 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10459517)
I can't keep Braun Kershaw and Strasburg. They're all KV at 1.

I guess I don't understand the keeper value you're working off of, then.

Overall rank? Also seems like an unfair way to do things. In 2012, Mike Trout was undrafted in a lot of leagues. In 2013, he was a consensus top 3 pick. So if you're someone who saw the superstardom coming, you don't get to take advantage of it in any way?

Discuss Thrower 02-28-2014 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10459546)
I guess I don't understand the keeper value you're working off of, then.

Overall rank? Also seems like an unfair way to do things. In 2012, Mike Trout was undrafted in a lot of leagues. In 2013, he was a consensus top 3 pick. So if you're someone who saw the superstardom coming, you don't get to take advantage of it in any way?


Gimme time and I'll upload the KV for each player on my team

RippedmyFlesh 02-28-2014 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10459517)
I can't keep Braun Kershaw and Strasburg. They're all KV at 1.

Keep Kershaw and Strasburg if possible. That is one kick ass duo.

Discuss Thrower 02-28-2014 10:04 PM

Here is what I'm working with. Again, I can't keep multiple players with the same KV

RippedmyFlesh 03-01-2014 12:17 AM

Now I understand why you can't keep those 2. Then Clayton obviously. So as long as they are not the same KV you can keep or is there more to it as far as what the total of the 5 KV?

RippedmyFlesh 03-01-2014 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10458548)
$400 auction? or just a $400 pot? If it's auction, we can't see your prices.

How many keepers do you get? And how many teams in the league? Your pitching staff is ridic.

First thing I thought Clayton,straus, King Felix....

Discuss Thrower 03-01-2014 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 10460104)
Now I understand why you can't keep those 2. Then Clayton obviously. So as long as they are not the same KV you can keep or is there more to it as far as what the total of the 5 KV?

You've got it. Only one keeper per value.

RippedmyFlesh 03-01-2014 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10460133)
You've got it. Only one keeper per value.

I like your pitching staff more so than your hitters so for me I would prob try to keep that intact. Clayton,Felix,Zack. I just think Clayton rates higher as a pitcher than Braun does as a hitter. You could make as easy argument Clayton is the best SP. Braun a top 5 if healthy but not as strong an argument for best as Clayton.
JMHO I don't do fantasy baseball I just love the sport.
But I did spend a night at the Holiday Inn sometime in my life.

duncan_idaho 03-01-2014 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10459923)
Here is what I'm working with. Again, I can't keep multiple players with the same KV

Well, then, based on that... I'd keep:

1) Braun or Kershaw
2) King Felix
3) Greinke
4) Minor
5) Gyorko

I'd probably keep Braun over Kershaw since you can also keep King Felix, Greinke and Minor.

I'm pretty confident Braun does his usual 100/.300/30/100/20 line.

Discuss Thrower 03-04-2014 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10460688)
Well, then, based on that... I'd keep:

1) Braun or Kershaw
2) King Felix
3) Greinke
4) Minor
5) Gyorko

I'd probably keep Braun over Kershaw since you can also keep King Felix, Greinke and Minor.

I'm pretty confident Braun does his usual 100/.300/30/100/20 line.

What about the chance Braun doesn't have the benefit of a careless piss sample handler?

RippedmyFlesh 03-04-2014 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10467118)
What about the chance Braun doesn't have the benefit of a careless piss sample handler?

A simple question who has more value the best pitcher or the best hitter?
If it is close I would go with Clayton. If hitters are more valuable take Braun.
With Braun it's a catch 22. If he keeps taking he will prob produce but you have that chance of him being bounced for 100 games next time. If he stops taking ped's he might not produce like he did.
Clayton is pretty much a sure thing to produce.

Discuss Thrower 03-13-2014 03:02 PM

If anyone has any insight in the next eight hours or so I'd casino cash them.. Deadline is tomorrow for keeprs.

blake5676 03-13-2014 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10488224)
If anyone has any insight in the next eight hours or so I'd casino cash them.. Deadline is tomorrow for keeprs.

I'm guessing if you have the possibility of keeping studs like Kershaw, Grienke AND Felix, there are some other people in your league sitting pretty with some of the stud hitters. Or in other words, the prime hitters aren't going to be available as they'll be kept as well. So you might consider just doing 2 of those 3 so that you can ensure yourself at least one stud offensive hitter. And just an FYI, I don't know how serious it is but Minor is on the shelf right now with some arm issues. Might want to research him a little more (although it looks like he's a really high keeper so maybe NBD)

duncan_idaho 03-14-2014 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10467118)
What about the chance Braun doesn't have the benefit of a careless piss sample handler?

I'd still take a swing at him considering you have can Felix, Greinke and Minor.

Minor is a little scarier now that "Being behind schedule due to offseason surgery on his unit' has turned into "having a sore shoulder" though.

Kershaw, Felix and Greinke would be a SP trio that is nearly unmatched. I don't think you can really go wrong either way.

Discuss Thrower 03-14-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10489772)
I'd still take a swing at him considering you have can Felix, Greinke and Minor.

Minor is a little scarier now that "Being behind schedule due to offseason surgery on his unit' has turned into "having a sore shoulder" though.

Kershaw, Felix and Greinke would be a SP trio that is nearly unmatched. I don't think you can really go wrong either way.

what about keeping Matt Adams with a 13th rounder as well as Gyorko?

duncan_idaho 03-14-2014 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10489966)
what about keeping Matt Adams with a 13th rounder as well as Gyorko?

Over Minor?

That would work, though I'm not quite as bullish on Adams as some. I don't see him playing enough to be a 30 HR guy this year.

The value on Cruz is honestly not bad, either. That's a friendly ballpark.

Discuss Thrower 03-14-2014 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10490753)
Over Minor?

That would work, though I'm not quite as bullish on Adams as some. I don't see him playing enough to be a 30 HR guy this year.

The value on Cruz is honestly not bad, either. That's a friendly ballpark.

Saved Kershaw, Felix, Headcase, Gyorko and Nelson Cruz. Just found out I'm picking third.

duncan_idaho 03-15-2014 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10491763)
Saved Kershaw, Felix, Headcase, Gyorko and Nelson Cruz. Just found out I'm picking third.

Pretty strong group. Good late value on those bats. I'm pretty confident you get 60 HR combined from them.

Discuss Thrower 03-15-2014 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10492907)
Pretty strong group. Good late value on those bats. I'm pretty confident you get 60 HR combined from them.

Problem is I'm in a league with a guy who had to write in draft Puig in the 3rd round. These fools take this shit serious.

Oh and the previous owner traded my 6th pick for Strasburg

L.A. Chieffan 03-18-2014 06:03 PM

So update on my draft. I got Scherzer, Cole and Gio with my first three picks. Not to mention Hamels and Garcia REALLY late so I think my pitching will be sick. I'm gonna try and flip Gio and maybe Lawrie for Matt Carpenter. I hate the cardinals but that guy is massively underrated fantasy wise

Discuss Thrower 03-24-2014 01:05 PM

C Salvador Perez
1B Allen Craig
2B Dustin Ackley
3B Ryan Zimmerman
SS Jonathan Villar
2B/SS Jedd Gyorko
1B/3B Matt Adams
OF Yoenis Cespedes
OF Alex Gordon
OF Nelson Cruz
OF Carl Crawford
OF Will Venable
UTIL Mike Napoli
UTIL Ike Davis
P Zack Greinke
P Scott Kazmir
P Jason Vargas
P Brian Wilson
P Jake Odorizzi
SP Clayton Kershaw
SP Felix Hernandez
RP Grant Balfour
RP Drew Smyly
BE Brian Dozier
BE Josh Reddick
BE Erick Aybar

I was half asleep this morning when I "drafted" Odo and Brian Wilson due to complications from the commissioner inputting our draft selections from Saturday.

AndChiefs 03-24-2014 03:31 PM

14 team auction league

C Jonathan Lucroy, Mil C $16
1B Brandon Moss, Oak 1B $11
2B Jason Kipnis, Cle 2B $32
SS Asdrubal Cabrera, Cle SS $1
3B Kyle Seager, Sea 3B $15
IF Alexei Ramirez, CWS SS $3
LF Yoenis Cespedes, Oak LF $15
CF Will Venable, SD RF $10
RF Hunter Pence, SF RF $10
OF Alex Gordon, KC LF $13
UTIL Shane Victorino, Bos RF $5
Bench Stephen Drew, FA SS $2
Bench Brian Dozier, Min 2B $1

P Shelby Miller, StL SP $15
P Tony Cingrani, Cin SP $10
P Yordano Ventura, KC SP $3
SP Anibal Sanchez, Det SP $18
SP James Shields, KC SP $16
SP Michael Wacha, StL SP $15
RP David Robertson, NYY RP $10
RP Jim Johnson, Oak RP $13
Bench Jonathan Papelbon, Phi RP $10
Bench Archie Bradley, Ari SP $3

duncan_idaho 03-24-2014 11:01 PM

13 team auction/keeper league (final roster - $300 cap)

C - Saltalamacchia - $4
C - Travis d'Arnaud - $3
1B - Adrian Gonzalez - $34
2B - Robby Cano - $40
SS - Tulo - $43
3B - Machado - $11
Ci - Allen Craig - $8
MI - Chris Owings - $3
OF - Mike Trout - $12
OF - Bryce Harper - $9
OF - Angel Pagan - $10
OF - Ben Revere - $4
OF - Eric M Young - $4
DH - Dexter Fowler - $1
DH - Oscar Taveras - $1

Bench:
Marlon Byrd
Drew Stubbs
Matt Davidson
Ryan Goins

P - Chris Sale - $8
P - Alex Cobb - $19
P - Matt Cain - $32
P - Shelby Miller - $8
P - Justin Masterson - $9
P - Tyson Ross - $1
P - Trevor Rosenthal - $26
P - Tommy Hunter - $8
P - Noah Syndergaard - $1

Bench:
Dylan Bundy
Chris Tillman
Nate Eovaldi
Cody Allen
Jon Niese
Kyle Zimmer

L.A. Chieffan 03-25-2014 09:48 AM

I've never done an auction style draft so it's hard for me to criticize I guess but that seems high for tulo and low for Cano

L.A. Chieffan 03-25-2014 09:52 AM

I had Tulo actually and I ended up trading him and Goldschmidt, Gerrit Cole, Nate Jones and Alexander Guerrero for Cano, Segura, Trumbo, Cashner, and Parnell. Massive blockbuster

duncan_idaho 03-25-2014 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 10515198)
I've never done an auction style draft so it's hard for me to criticize I guess but that seems high for tulo and low for Cano

It's a really deep league... every team has 34 players on the roster and must play 3 MI guys (SS, 2B and MI).

We added an expansion team and I was concerned I wouldn't be able to get another elite bat (top 20) at that price.

That was my last decision, and it was a tough one.

Discuss Thrower 03-25-2014 05:40 PM

Why did you take Zimmer?

duncan_idaho 03-27-2014 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10516671)
Why did you take Zimmer?

It was my next-to-last pick and it was a choice between him and another setup man... he's going to be up this year, which makes him keepable... he's a potential stud, and I really wanted at least one more good, young, cheap SP keeper. Between Syndergaard, Bundy and Zimmer, I feel pretty certain to get that.

Discuss Thrower 03-27-2014 03:06 PM

Should I drop Ike Davis for Dillon Gee...

L.A. Chieffan 03-27-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10520891)
Should I drop Ike Davis for Dillon Gee...

I would unless you're stacked on pitching. I think gee will have a very good year actually

Discuss Thrower 03-27-2014 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 10520939)
I would unless you're stacked on pitching. I think gee will have a very good year actually

Kershaw
King Felix
Greinke
Jason ****ing Vargas
Scott Kazmir
Jake Odorizzi
Drew Smyly

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-29-2014 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 10515210)
I had Tulo actually and I ended up trading him and Goldschmidt, Gerrit Cole, Nate Jones and Alexander Guerrero for Cano, Segura, Trumbo, Cashner, and Parnell. Massive blockbuster

You traded away the two best players in that deal.

L.A. Chieffan 03-29-2014 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10526626)
You traded away the two best players in that deal.

Nah, Goldy will have a better avg. than Trumbo but the power numbers should be about the same. Cano is the best 2b in the game. In my league doubles and triples count so Segura will be very valuable. Tulo is just too unreliable. I was kinda bummed about giving up Cole but Cashner is about to have a huge season. I'm happy with it

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-30-2014 12:05 AM

Cano is a LHH 2B who just went from the best park in the majors for lefty power to arguably the worst. That's going to put a major dent in his value. He's also swapping out Fenway, Camden Yards, and Sky Dome for Oakland, Anaheim, and Texas, which are, on the whole, less hitter friendly, and cumulatively, significantly so.

Trumbo is barely above a league average hitter. He provides no value outside of HR pop. Any guy who gets on base less than 30% of the time is going to be an albatross. He's also going to get switched out of a lot of games late because he's a defensive disaster in the OF.

Tulo isn't Ripken, but 120 games of him is worth far more than 160 of Trumbo

L.A. Chieffan 03-30-2014 08:37 AM

Just because he's playing in parks where there's fewer home runs doesn't mean that will translate into more outs. His HR and RBI will take a dip but he could very well lead the league in average and doubles.

You could make the argument that in a fantasy league Goldy is better than Cano but there is no way in hell Tulo is more valuable than him. I don't care if Cano is playing in the Polo Grounds in 1913 he's gonna hit well.

Discuss Thrower 03-30-2014 10:27 PM

Kershaw goes on the DL and the guy I'm matched up against for Week 1 took Dillon Gee before I could get a chance to sign him.


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